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Suddenly, you're miles away from the price of the HVX with P2 cards and the H1. Just food for thought. -gb- |
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By the end of the summer I would suspect you could get a full set up, lens and all for $20K or less. Remember, your backups ARE your disks, in P2 or HDD world professional RELIABLE back-up gets very very expensive. We should start a new section next year for tapeless workflow horror stories... I already have heard many and have one of my own.
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Looks like there's going to be quite a bit happening this year. I'm looking forward to seeing how everything continues to unfold (while costs decline) and our equipment options get better and better with the XDCAM HD as well as others.
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Yes, if I could buy the F330 with lens for $15K, I'd pick it up over the HVX200.
I have a feeling things are going to get real interesting over the next couple years. Steve |
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Perhaps we should just break it down to under $10K, and over $10K. Eventually we might (hopefully) attract the audience for a $50K and higher area, but right now I see just one delineation of any significance, and that's the $10K price point.
Although I wonder how we would properly categorize the forthcoming JVC camera, the one that's HDV in the 2/3rd-inch size. It'll be well over $10K, more like the $20K range, but it's still HDV. That's why I feel somewhat prompted to keep things organized by format rather than price. |
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I don't think these new XDCam HD cameras are designed to compete directly with the HVX the relationship is more like the DVX100 and the DSR 570, different markets.
Perhaps you could just replace the Z1/FX1 section with a Sony HDV section which would include the new cameras? |
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Anyway, why not try and support tapeless workflows rather than horror stories. I think most people like tapeless but theirs definetly some real and valid fears with it. We can all learn from peoples horror stories of tapeless - things like the file table wasn't written or the drive crashed. XDCAM is tapeless but I suspect its going to be fairly robust and reliable, yet it still presents the same workflow issues when reusing the discs. So I think that the direct to disk section is good, but its putting more emphasize on the capture. A section on the workflow and reliability and backup issues could be a nice benefit. Panasonics whitepaper about smart backup is a great start and I guess this stuff could be discussed under NLE groups but I'd rather see another group that helped people through this. I plan on sharing my designs for tapeless workflow, data safety, backup and more when they are... well, you know, I get to that point. Maybe I'm totally off the mark with people needing some workflow help with tapeless solutions. Maybe everyone but me figured it out :)
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I don't think it should be categorized by "CODEC" or "MEDIUM" because then things get squirrely. Like it is elsewhere on the web......totally confusing. The way you have it now is sweet! - ShannonRawls.com
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This was the early days of P2 and I'm sure the kinks are worked out. The P2 for the HVX seems solid and reliable. But it's still kinda scarry when you're dealing with such important stuff, like movies, documentaries & reality shows. We already know the perils of tape aquisition, so having a form discussing dropouts and broken tape is worthless. But since tapless capture is new to us all, it would be cool to hear stories about problems with P2 & XDCAM from those who dare to try it first so we can learn how to avoid certain situations and do proper preventive maintenance. - ShannonRawls.com
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At Sundance Media, we use tapeless systems religiously, often using tape backup, but haven't needed the backup for at least two years that I know of. *most* of the horror stories that I know regarding tapeless relate to really cheap tapeless systems. BTW, my vote is for Tapeless HD Recording/Acquisition or some form thereof.
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