XDCAM HD various topics at DVinfo.net

Joe Carney · January 18th, 2006, 05:53 PM

Pretty cool stuff, says they have true 24p, and variable frame rate on one of the models.
http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/6446

Eric Brown · January 18th, 2006, 09:15 PM

Too bad the lower priced 330 doesn't feature the different frame rates as its big brother. At that price point it should. The capacity of the storage is very good, though. Hope that ends up being a winner for Sony. The price is the only reason I probably won't be looking in to this camera.

John Jay · March 3rd, 2006, 01:26 PM

OK, I have looked at the pdf brochure and although you can offload proxy's via FW what about the full rez source?

To support 35 Mbps you will need S400 FW - but does the camera allow full source download to the computer or is it strictly deck only? This will of course seriously affect the price for a package...

Steve Connor · March 3rd, 2006, 04:10 PM

Cameras allow rull rez transfers thru firewire!

Dave Findley · March 8th, 2006, 11:57 PM

I think I've decided that the 330 is my next camera, but I'm fuzzy on workflow (tech challenged). Assuming I'm using FCP 5.04, would the 330 firewire in to my Mac in the same manner that a Panny DVX does? Do I need one of those cards (Kona, etec) to capture? What format would I output to? Sorry for the lame questions, appreciate any info.

Thanks.

Simon Wyndham · March 9th, 2006, 04:53 AM

There's two options.

The first is to record footage in 25mbps mode on the camera and then ingest to FCP like any other HDV camera. But you don't get the benefit of the higher datarates or the XDCAM workflow that way.

The second is to record 35mbps and transfer the MXF files off the disc into FCP. But there is a problem. Apple have never properly supported XDCAM in FCP. They have left it to people to use a third party app called Flip4Mac in order to import XDCAM files into FCP. And I'm not sure if that program yet supports HD XDCAM. No doubt it will, but I'm not sure if it does just yet.

Sean Dinwoodie · March 10th, 2006, 03:35 PM

XDCAM HD Seminar

Presented by Sony and Hollywood Studio Rentals

When: Wenesday March 15, 2006 @ 7PM

Where: Hollywood Studio Rentals
620 South Flower St
Burbank, CA
91602
818-526-0101

RSVP to:
XDCAM_HD@YAHOO.COM
Name, Address, Phone, Email

Hands On Demo, Projected Footage, Presentation

Chris Hurd · March 10th, 2006, 11:29 PM

Great -- thanks for the info Sean!

Chris Hurd · March 16th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Our buddy Mike Curtis at HD For Indies has published some notes he took on an XDCAM HD presentation at the South By SouthWest film festival in Austin. They're on his blog at this link:

http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/03/s...d-mini-meeting

Enjoy,

Michael Wisniewski · March 29th, 2006, 04:18 PM

By Douglas Spotted Eagle
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/tech.../pvr/6302.html

Chris Hurd · March 31st, 2006, 07:29 PM

Thanks for this link, Michael. DSE provides a nice, quick overview of the F350.

April 9th, 2006, 02:52 AM

The dvxuser.com member NBCshooter posted this:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...65&postcount=7
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...6&postcount=10
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...1&postcount=13

He is saying that was the Sony people that info him about this. What does it mean? Do we need to buy a deck to achieve "true progressive"? Isn't it enough to transfer the files (any 35Mbps HD file) via firewire from the cam itself to any PC? Of course, XDCAM-HD compatible? In order to get any HD recordable modes?

I've been reading that's not possible to HDV compatible streams but I've been thinking differently to 35Mbps "true progressive" or interlaced, or am I wrong?

Simon Wyndham · April 9th, 2006, 05:19 AM

The progressive frame information is held within an interlaced stream. Sony call this PsF (Progressive Segmented Frame). This is true progressive scan, and is pretty much how every progressive scan camera stores its information with the exception of 720p cameras.

The F900 and HDW-750 shoot progressively using PsF. The DVX100 uses a similar method too, as do the DSR-450, and PDW-510/530 cameras.

April 9th, 2006, 06:18 AM

So, to have "true progressive" or PsF (whatever) it means that we need to buy a deck as well? Or the camera itself (the PDW-F330 model or the 350 one) will it be enough as a sort of deck to handle the PsF (with all its necessary and full information) to a PC? At 35Mbps quality, of course.

Thank you.

Simon Wyndham · April 9th, 2006, 06:57 AM

No. The camera records true progressive. You do not need a deck.

XDCAM is file based, ie you drag and drop the video files that it creates from the XDCAM disc onto your hard drive. This is done faster than realtime. There is no streaming of footage needed. Any NLE will handle the progressive scan files just like any other progressive scan camera such as the DVX100, DSR-450, PDW-510/530 etc etc. There is nothing special about the way the progressive scan in this camera is done. And there are no special hardware requirements needed to be able to see it.

January 18th, 2006, 05:53 PM	#1
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	XDCAM HD various topics Pretty cool stuff, says they have true 24p, and variable frame rate on one of the models. http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/6446

March 3rd, 2006, 01:26 PM	#3
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	Deck Required? OK, I have looked at the pdf brochure and although you can offload proxy's via FW what about the full rez source? To support 35 Mbps you will need S400 FW - but does the camera allow full source download to the computer or is it strictly deck only? This will of course seriously affect the price for a package... __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*

March 8th, 2006, 11:57 PM	#5
Dave Findley Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 39	Stupid newbie questions from current DVX user I think I've decided that the 330 is my next camera, but I'm fuzzy on workflow (tech challenged). Assuming I'm using FCP 5.04, would the 330 firewire in to my Mac in the same manner that a Panny DVX does? Do I need one of those cards (Kona, etec) to capture? What format would I output to? Sorry for the lame questions, appreciate any info. Thanks.

March 10th, 2006, 03:35 PM	#7
Sean Dinwoodie Hollywood Studio Rentals Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 26	Free XDCAM HD Seminar - L.A. Wed 3/15 7PM XDCAM HD Seminar Presented by Sony and Hollywood Studio Rentals When: Wenesday March 15, 2006 @ 7PM Where: Hollywood Studio Rentals 620 South Flower St Burbank, CA 91602 818-526-0101 RSVP to: XDCAM_HD@YAHOO.COM Name, Address, Phone, Email Hands On Demo, Projected Footage, Presentation __________________ __________________ Regards, Sean Dinwoodie Engineer & DP http://www.LAProHD.org

March 10th, 2006, 11:29 PM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Great -- thanks for the info Sean! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 18th, 2006, 09:15 PM	#2
Eric Brown Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 427	Too bad the lower priced 330 doesn't feature the different frame rates as its big brother. At that price point it should. The capacity of the storage is very good, though. Hope that ends up being a winner for Sony. The price is the only reason I probably won't be looking in to this camera.

March 3rd, 2006, 04:10 PM	#4
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	Cameras allow rull rez transfers thru firewire!

March 9th, 2006, 04:53 AM	#6
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	There's two options. The first is to record footage in 25mbps mode on the camera and then ingest to FCP like any other HDV camera. But you don't get the benefit of the higher datarates or the XDCAM workflow that way. The second is to record 35mbps and transfer the MXF files off the disc into FCP. But there is a problem. Apple have never properly supported XDCAM in FCP. They have left it to people to use a third party app called Flip4Mac in order to import XDCAM files into FCP. And I'm not sure if that program yet supports HD XDCAM. No doubt it will, but I'm not sure if it does just yet.

March 16th, 2006, 04:32 PM	#9
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Notes from SXSW at HD For Indies Our buddy Mike Curtis at HD For Indies has published some notes he took on an XDCAM HD presentation at the South By SouthWest film festival in Austin. They're on his blog at this link: http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/03/s...d-mini-meeting Enjoy, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 29th, 2006, 04:18 PM	#10
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	First look at Sony PDW F350 By Douglas Spotted Eagle http://www.studiodaily.com/main/tech.../pvr/6302.html __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 31st, 2006, 07:29 PM	#11
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Thanks for this link, Michael. DSE provides a nice, quick overview of the F350. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 9th, 2006, 02:52 AM	#12
Guest Posts: n/a	Is it necessary a deck to get "true progressive"? What's this? The dvxuser.com member NBCshooter posted this: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...65&postcount=7 http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...6&postcount=10 http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...1&postcount=13 He is saying that was the Sony people that info him about this. What does it mean? Do we need to buy a deck to achieve "true progressive"? Isn't it enough to transfer the files (any 35Mbps HD file) via firewire from the cam itself to any PC? Of course, XDCAM-HD compatible? In order to get any HD recordable modes? I've been reading that's not possible to HDV compatible streams but I've been thinking differently to 35Mbps "true progressive" or interlaced, or am I wrong?

April 9th, 2006, 05:19 AM	#13
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	The progressive frame information is held within an interlaced stream. Sony call this PsF (Progressive Segmented Frame). This is true progressive scan, and is pretty much how every progressive scan camera stores its information with the exception of 720p cameras. The F900 and HDW-750 shoot progressively using PsF. The DVX100 uses a similar method too, as do the DSR-450, and PDW-510/530 cameras.

April 9th, 2006, 06:18 AM	#14
Guest Posts: n/a	So, to have "true progressive" or PsF (whatever) it means that we need to buy a deck as well? Or the camera itself (the PDW-F330 model or the 350 one) will it be enough as a sort of deck to handle the PsF (with all its necessary and full information) to a PC? At 35Mbps quality, of course. Thank you.

April 9th, 2006, 06:57 AM	#15
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	No. The camera records true progressive. You do not need a deck. XDCAM is file based, ie you drag and drop the video files that it creates from the XDCAM disc onto your hard drive. This is done faster than realtime. There is no streaming of footage needed. Any NLE will handle the progressive scan files just like any other progressive scan camera such as the DVX100, DSR-450, PDW-510/530 etc etc. There is nothing special about the way the progressive scan in this camera is done. And there are no special hardware requirements needed to be able to see it.