My Sony rep recommended XDCAM. But how expensive is the post pasth?

Jacques Star · October 9th, 2005, 10:36 AM

Exactly,

I worked on a reality show not too long ago using XDCam.

I also see some DVCam used for broadcast as well. Some in news and some as a b-camera for reality TV shows.

A lot of 20/20 type interviews use a Betacam as an A cam and a DVCam as a reverse angle or, more often as a wide shot.

James Emory · October 9th, 2005, 10:42 AM

Yep Jacques, as for news XD or DTE would be the way to go, no loading. Another example of inefficiency is that our NBC affiliate has Avid laptops in their live trucks but they shoot tape, DSR 570. The ony advantage with the NLE, as far as their application, is that you could cut a nice package with transitions in the truck but as far as time, it's the same. They could at least add DTE to speed up the process.

Simon Wyndham · October 9th, 2005, 11:18 AM

Yes, I know it is used in lots of broadcast shows.

But what I am saying is that the fact that a lower level editor such as Vegas now allows XDCAM compatibility means that people who make low level corporate, training videos, industrial etc can now use XDCAM properly without having to buy a $2k+ editing system such as Avid.

In other words the XDCAM workflow is now more open to people who may want to upgrade from the likes of the DSR500.

Simon Wyndham · October 9th, 2005, 11:20 AM

Of course I understand that what I just said may sound slightly silly, ie someone who can buy a 2/3" camera should be able to afford $2k for a NLE.

However I own the 510 and edit on Vegas. I like Vegas. It is cheap, highly capable, and I didn't want to fork out for an Avid system if I could help it. The camera and all its accessories cost enough as it is!

James Emory · October 9th, 2005, 11:29 AM

Okay. I read it again and now see that you literally meant projects that were not meant for broadcast.

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Originally Posted by Simon Wyndham

Of course I understand that what I just said may sound slightly silly, ie someone who can buy a 2/3" camera should be able to afford $2k for a NLE.

I think as long as the NLE that is used gets the job done, it shouldn't matter what it is or how much it costs and that idea is being proven every day with these much lower cost systems.

Barry Hyman · October 9th, 2005, 05:35 PM

a couple of months ago in the ct computer magazine published in germany..wrote about the slow start of digital tv..and the first digital tv station to start will send two formats mpeg2 1080 and mpeg4 to around 2008 and then after that only one format.. mpeg4.. i don't know the future but the idea blowing up anything to 35mm film, has no future. it's already here filmkunst 66 on the bleibteustrasse in berlin which is about 40km from the polish border.. a small neighbourhood cinema..invested already in a hd and beamer..and shows films... shooting half the resolution or thinking cinema culture is everywhere...is wishfull thinking..the beamer is the weakest link and it needs all the resolution it can get...

Jacques Star · October 9th, 2005, 06:11 PM

Personally, I don't think HD will be a mainstream acquisition and broadcasting format, for many, many years, if EVER. It might never become the standard, who knows?

Now digital TV, on the other hand, yes, that will become a standard. BetaSP is the only widely used analog format out there anymore...and look at all the new or relatively new and very good digital formats: Digibeta, DVCPro50, MPEGIMX, etc...

Why is BetaSP still alive and kicking? All the stations have so much invested in BetaSP/SX machines and editing equipment, it would be ridiculously expensive to dump all the equipment and switch to HD, which costs at least twice as much as current SD gear...The same goes with the newer digital formats, if a station invested in MPEGIMX just a couple of years ago, they would want that equipment to last a long, long time...

October 9th, 2005, 10:36 AM	#31
Jacques Star Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 68	XDCam Exactly, I worked on a reality show not too long ago using XDCam. I also see some DVCam used for broadcast as well. Some in news and some as a b-camera for reality TV shows. A lot of 20/20 type interviews use a Betacam as an A cam and a DVCam as a reverse angle or, more often as a wide shot.

October 9th, 2005, 10:42 AM	#32
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Yep Jacques, as for news XD or DTE would be the way to go, no loading. Another example of inefficiency is that our NBC affiliate has Avid laptops in their live trucks but they shoot tape, DSR 570. The ony advantage with the NLE, as far as their application, is that you could cut a nice package with transitions in the truck but as far as time, it's the same. They could at least add DTE to speed up the process. Last edited by James Emory; October 9th, 2005 at 11:51 AM.

October 9th, 2005, 05:35 PM	#36
Barry Hyman Tourist Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4	mpeg2..mpeg4..hdv boadcastblues.. a couple of months ago in the ct computer magazine published in germany..wrote about the slow start of digital tv..and the first digital tv station to start will send two formats mpeg2 1080 and mpeg4 to around 2008 and then after that only one format.. mpeg4.. i don't know the future but the idea blowing up anything to 35mm film, has no future. it's already here filmkunst 66 on the bleibteustrasse in berlin which is about 40km from the polish border.. a small neighbourhood cinema..invested already in a hd and beamer..and shows films... shooting half the resolution or thinking cinema culture is everywhere...is wishfull thinking..the beamer is the weakest link and it needs all the resolution it can get...

October 9th, 2005, 06:11 PM	#37
Jacques Star Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 68	XDCam Personally, I don't think HD will be a mainstream acquisition and broadcasting format, for many, many years, if EVER. It might never become the standard, who knows? Now digital TV, on the other hand, yes, that will become a standard. BetaSP is the only widely used analog format out there anymore...and look at all the new or relatively new and very good digital formats: Digibeta, DVCPro50, MPEGIMX, etc... Why is BetaSP still alive and kicking? All the stations have so much invested in BetaSP/SX machines and editing equipment, it would be ridiculously expensive to dump all the equipment and switch to HD, which costs at least twice as much as current SD gear...The same goes with the newer digital formats, if a station invested in MPEGIMX just a couple of years ago, they would want that equipment to last a long, long time...

October 9th, 2005, 11:18 AM	#33
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Yes, I know it is used in lots of broadcast shows. But what I am saying is that the fact that a lower level editor such as Vegas now allows XDCAM compatibility means that people who make low level corporate, training videos, industrial etc can now use XDCAM properly without having to buy a $2k+ editing system such as Avid. In other words the XDCAM workflow is now more open to people who may want to upgrade from the likes of the DSR500.

October 9th, 2005, 11:20 AM	#34
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Of course I understand that what I just said may sound slightly silly, ie someone who can buy a 2/3" camera should be able to afford $2k for a NLE. However I own the 510 and edit on Vegas. I like Vegas. It is cheap, highly capable, and I didn't want to fork out for an Avid system if I could help it. The camera and all its accessories cost enough as it is!