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Gerson Becker · April 1st, 2009, 06:24 PM

Just came from a pre-NAB meeting with Sony in Brazil.
They will show PDWF800 in Las Vegas. Same as 700, plus 24p, over and under cranking, all XDCAM formats (SD and HD) and some bells and wistles.

Dutch Rall · April 1st, 2009, 06:54 PM

well, that's very good news.

Robert Schemitsch · April 2nd, 2009, 01:13 AM

just another april-joke?

Gerson Becker · April 2nd, 2009, 05:47 AM

No april joke. It was a Sony engineer with a Sony power point presentation.
There was a photo and a lot of specs.
And some nice other products.
We will see...

Andy Shipsides · April 2nd, 2009, 12:33 PM

We have received confirmation from Sony as well. It is a real product that will show at NAB. No real details other than what Gerson posted.

Simon Wyndham · April 5th, 2009, 02:09 PM

Amusing since these are the same specs I predicted when the 700 first came out as a sister camera. Like I've always said, they always release XDCAM cameras in two's, but in the 700's case they had to be a bit more careful about treading on toes.

Brad Smith · April 6th, 2009, 10:43 PM

Gerson,

Any details about frame rates, codecs, data rates or price point?

Gerson Becker · April 7th, 2009, 05:56 PM

Hi Brad,
All XDCAM HD 18, 25 and 35 and 50 422, IMX and DVCAM standards. All 1080 and 720, 50 and 60, and NTSC and PAL. Plus 24p. No price point. No 60p.
There will be some nice features, like a focus assistant (zoom in the image) and other I can´t remenber.
It´s a 700 full loaded with features, plus Cinealta logo and 24p.
It´s the end of F900.
They will show a 9000 HDCAM SR one piece camcorder too. But only a mockup. And you can imagine the price.

Brad Smith · April 7th, 2009, 08:30 PM

No 60p.
There will be some nice features, like a focus assistant (zoom in the image) and other I can´t remenber.
It´s a 700 full loaded with features, plus Cinealta logo and 24p.
It´s the end of F900.

Thanks Gerson,

that all sounds interesting but no 60P? I've already got focus assist on my viewfinder, the only reason I'd consider trading up is if the new camera offered overcranking. The 700 is a pretty nice camera as is, I guess 24p is important for the US market or if you're shooting for a film out. As far as the f900 goes I thought 700 ended it, Sony has just held back the 24p to soften the blow.

BTW you can already do some pretty good slomo in the 720 domain using the 60p available now in the 700, it's just that you've got to slow it down in post.

It will be interesting to see the details release date and pricepoint when all is revealed at NAB.

Thanks for the heads up!

Trell Mitchell · April 9th, 2009, 03:59 PM

A one word mention of the "PDW-F800" is noted in a Sony brochure.
See page 3 of brochure, right-hand column, bullet point *4.
Click on link below.
Sony Business Solutions & Systems - Featured

Greg Boston · April 11th, 2009, 04:47 PM

The PDW-F800 will also feature a filter wheel. 24P with over/under cranking. Not much different than the 700.

-gb-

Simon Wyndham · April 11th, 2009, 05:08 PM

Pretty much the specs I predicted when they released the 700. Like I always said, they always release these cameras in two's. This one has just taken a bit longer to materialise.

For those that wonder where the extra money goes, let me just remind you that the only difference between the PDW-510 and PDW-530 was an extra filter wheel and IMX50 recording and there was a £10k price difference.

Sounds like the same kind of product separation between the 700 and 800.

Steve Phillipps · April 12th, 2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerson Becker

It´s the end of F900.
.

Still long GOP codec though, so maybe not?
Steve

Simon Wyndham · April 12th, 2009, 01:14 PM

Does Long GOP really have any bearing on the matter though? Either it is as good as HDCAM as a substitute or it isn't. There isn't really any half way. From what I've seen I don't think that HDCAM really offers anything above the long GOP 50mb/s codec. In fact it offers less, especially in terms of resolution.

So, okay it is long GOP, but it offers a much better workflow and better resolution capabilities. The real question is whether the 700's camera head is better. Probably not. The F900 is razor sharp, perhaps too much even when the detail is turned off!

Steve Phillipps · April 12th, 2009, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Wyndham

From what I've seen I don't think that HDCAM really offers anything above the long GOP 50mb/s codec.

Where did you see that? I've never heard anyone say they thought XDCam was a better codec than HDCam.
Surely for fast moving and highly detailed subjects the I-frame codecs are superior?
Steve

April 1st, 2009, 06:24 PM	#1
Gerson Becker Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Posts: 63	Pdw-f800 Just came from a pre-NAB meeting with Sony in Brazil. They will show PDWF800 in Las Vegas. Same as 700, plus 24p, over and under cranking, all XDCAM formats (SD and HD) and some bells and wistles. __________________ Gérson Becker - Lumiere Produções - Brasil www.lumiere.com.br/cinemadigital

April 1st, 2009, 06:54 PM	#2
Dutch Rall Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LA, CA Posts: 50	well, that's very good news. __________________ http://www.dutchrall.com

April 2nd, 2009, 05:47 AM	#4
Gerson Becker Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Posts: 63	No april joke. It was a Sony engineer with a Sony power point presentation. There was a photo and a lot of specs. And some nice other products. We will see... __________________ Gérson Becker - Lumiere Produções - Brasil www.lumiere.com.br/cinemadigital

April 2nd, 2009, 12:33 PM	#5
Andy Shipsides Sponsor: Abel CineTech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 361	We have received confirmation from Sony as well. It is a real product that will show at NAB. No real details other than what Gerson posted. __________________ Andy Shipsides -Camera Technology Specialist AbelCineTech, New York - Visit our Blog - http://blog.abelcine.com

April 6th, 2009, 10:43 PM	#7
Brad Smith New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 14	Pdw f800 Gerson, Any details about frame rates, codecs, data rates or price point?

April 2nd, 2009, 01:13 AM	#3
Robert Schemitsch Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 44	just another april-joke?

April 5th, 2009, 02:09 PM	#6
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Amusing since these are the same specs I predicted when the 700 first came out as a sister camera. Like I've always said, they always release XDCAM cameras in two's, but in the 700's case they had to be a bit more careful about treading on toes.

April 7th, 2009, 05:56 PM	#8
Gerson Becker Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Posts: 63	Hi Brad, All XDCAM HD 18, 25 and 35 and 50 422, IMX and DVCAM standards. All 1080 and 720, 50 and 60, and NTSC and PAL. Plus 24p. No price point. No 60p. There will be some nice features, like a focus assistant (zoom in the image) and other I can´t remenber. It´s a 700 full loaded with features, plus Cinealta logo and 24p. It´s the end of F900. They will show a 9000 HDCAM SR one piece camcorder too. But only a mockup. And you can imagine the price. __________________ Gérson Becker - Lumiere Produções - Brasil www.lumiere.com.br/cinemadigital

April 7th, 2009, 08:30 PM	#9
Brad Smith New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 14	No 60p. There will be some nice features, like a focus assistant (zoom in the image) and other I can´t remenber. It´s a 700 full loaded with features, plus Cinealta logo and 24p. It´s the end of F900. Thanks Gerson, that all sounds interesting but no 60P? I've already got focus assist on my viewfinder, the only reason I'd consider trading up is if the new camera offered overcranking. The 700 is a pretty nice camera as is, I guess 24p is important for the US market or if you're shooting for a film out. As far as the f900 goes I thought 700 ended it, Sony has just held back the 24p to soften the blow. BTW you can already do some pretty good slomo in the 720 domain using the 60p available now in the 700, it's just that you've got to slow it down in post. It will be interesting to see the details release date and pricepoint when all is revealed at NAB. Thanks for the heads up!

April 9th, 2009, 03:59 PM	#10
Trell Mitchell Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 37	A one word mention of the "PDW-F800" is noted in a Sony brochure. See page 3 of brochure, right-hand column, bullet point *4. Click on link below. Sony Business Solutions & Systems - Featured

April 11th, 2009, 04:47 PM	#11
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	The PDW-F800 will also feature a filter wheel. 24P with over/under cranking. Not much different than the 700. -gb-

April 11th, 2009, 05:08 PM	#12
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Pretty much the specs I predicted when they released the 700. Like I always said, they always release these cameras in two's. This one has just taken a bit longer to materialise. For those that wonder where the extra money goes, let me just remind you that the only difference between the PDW-510 and PDW-530 was an extra filter wheel and IMX50 recording and there was a £10k price difference. Sounds like the same kind of product separation between the 700 and 800.

April 12th, 2009, 01:14 PM	#14
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Does Long GOP really have any bearing on the matter though? Either it is as good as HDCAM as a substitute or it isn't. There isn't really any half way. From what I've seen I don't think that HDCAM really offers anything above the long GOP 50mb/s codec. In fact it offers less, especially in terms of resolution. So, okay it is long GOP, but it offers a much better workflow and better resolution capabilities. The real question is whether the 700's camera head is better. Probably not. The F900 is razor sharp, perhaps too much even when the detail is turned off!