EX1 or the Sony F350

Steve Phillipps · December 7th, 2008, 05:34 AM

Agree with Alister re picture quality, there's nothing wrong with the 350, but there is just something about that EX1/3 that is really pleasant, it's a very gentle plus very hi-res image, took me by surprise as I'm sure it did others. It's not just that tiny extra bit of res, it is quite a different look, which even with menu fiddling I don't think you could quite get with the 350 (or the 700 for that matter). But that's not to say it'll be to everyone's taste, many people may well prefer the 350 look. I think you'd probably be happy with either, it is more ergonomics really.
Steve

Alister Chapman · December 7th, 2008, 08:00 AM

This is a side by side comparison between the PDW700 and EX3. It's very close.

Craig Seeman · December 7th, 2008, 01:13 PM

Another thought worth mentioning.

Given the cost difference between the EX3 and F350, if you have the budget for the F350 you may actually keep within budget buying the EX3 AND and additional lens.

It really seems to come down to the type/size of your organization (SxS vs XDCAM disk workflow) and type of clients you're working with (doesn't it always).

Shaun Roemich · December 7th, 2008, 01:20 PM

Alister: The EX is on the left in that photo? The left side seems just a hair more sharp, realizing that could be any number of things from resolution to lens to detail level to actual focus point.

Nick Stone · December 7th, 2008, 02:32 PM

Thankyou all for you help. Both cameras are great with three price ranges, now it's time to decide.

One last question: How is the EX3 on your chest, shoulder for those extended times away from the tripod.

Nick

Paul Inglis · December 8th, 2008, 12:31 PM

I haven’t had my EX-3 that long roughly 4 months and I absolutely love it! The ergonomics compared to the EX-1 is outstanding. Also the EX-3 Viewfinder/eye piece is simply ingenious. I prefer to mount my camera on a tripod due to using it with 600mm lens but for those times I’ve hand-held, on the shoulder or chest I’ve found it balanced.

Even crawling through the undergrowth is painless. The EX-3 great run gun type camera with astonishing performance and picture quality.

I love the solid state media and now archive to the new Belkin BD Gold discs or you could purchase a Sony PDW-U1 which will let you via a plug-in with Clip Browser to re-jiggle between the formats (XDCAM EX 1920 x 1080 to XDCAM HD 1440 x 1080 and back again). The latter is expensive and unnecessary if to have Blu-ray.

Simon Wyndham · December 10th, 2008, 03:00 AM

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I'm not sure I would buy one now unless I could get a very good deal as I think this is a line that really is due for a major upgrade. Whether Sony will bring out a replacement I do not know.

This has been my thought for a while now. I first used the 3** series in early 2006. Given the usual timeline I would suspect that at the very least there will be a prototype of something, or an announcement at NAB. The 3** cameras are gradually being outclassed by much cheaper camcorders now with full 1920x1080 chips and recording. I do not think that the ergonomics are really a reason to be spending so much more money plus the additional cost of a lens, which to be frank leaves a lot to be desired in quality these days.

Alan Roberts mentioned on the DV Doctor forums that he thought the Angenieux ENG lenses were much better than the Canons or Fujis. Dunno who sells them over here though, and they don't do a half inch line.

Alister Chapman · December 12th, 2008, 12:19 PM

My experience with Angenieux lenses has been mixed. If you get a good one they can be exceptionally good and probably better than most Canons and Fuji's. However the bad ones are not so good. If you are going to buy an Angenieux make sure you test it before you part with any money.

Simon Wyndham · December 12th, 2008, 02:23 PM

Hehe! Although that seems to be the case also for Fuji and Canon these days! :-)

Will be getting my EX3 on Monday. Then it is the roadmap to getting a decent replacement 2/3". I'll probably get a B4 HD lens for the EX3 a bit down the line to spread the cost of any upgrade. I can bide my time. No hurry.

December 7th, 2008, 08:00 AM	#32
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	This is a side by side comparison between the PDW700 and EX3. It's very close. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

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Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Alister: The EX is on the left in that photo? The left side seems just a hair more sharp, realizing that could be any number of things from resolution to lens to detail level to actual focus point. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

December 8th, 2008, 12:31 PM	#36
Paul Inglis Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: British Isles Posts: 415	I haven’t had my EX-3 that long roughly 4 months and I absolutely love it! The ergonomics compared to the EX-1 is outstanding. Also the EX-3 Viewfinder/eye piece is simply ingenious. I prefer to mount my camera on a tripod due to using it with 600mm lens but for those times I’ve hand-held, on the shoulder or chest I’ve found it balanced. Even crawling through the undergrowth is painless. The EX-3 great run gun type camera with astonishing performance and picture quality. I love the solid state media and now archive to the new Belkin BD Gold discs or you could purchase a Sony PDW-U1 which will let you via a plug-in with Clip Browser to re-jiggle between the formats (XDCAM EX 1920 x 1080 to XDCAM HD 1440 x 1080 and back again). The latter is expensive and unnecessary if to have Blu-ray. Last edited by Paul Inglis; December 8th, 2008 at 12:33 PM. Reason: spelling error

December 12th, 2008, 12:19 PM	#38
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	My experience with Angenieux lenses has been mixed. If you get a good one they can be exceptionally good and probably better than most Canons and Fuji's. However the bad ones are not so good. If you are going to buy an Angenieux make sure you test it before you part with any money. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

December 7th, 2008, 05:34 AM	#31
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Agree with Alister re picture quality, there's nothing wrong with the 350, but there is just something about that EX1/3 that is really pleasant, it's a very gentle plus very hi-res image, took me by surprise as I'm sure it did others. It's not just that tiny extra bit of res, it is quite a different look, which even with menu fiddling I don't think you could quite get with the 350 (or the 700 for that matter). But that's not to say it'll be to everyone's taste, many people may well prefer the 350 look. I think you'd probably be happy with either, it is more ergonomics really. Steve

December 7th, 2008, 01:13 PM	#33
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Another thought worth mentioning. Given the cost difference between the EX3 and F350, if you have the budget for the F350 you may actually keep within budget buying the EX3 AND and additional lens. It really seems to come down to the type/size of your organization (SxS vs XDCAM disk workflow) and type of clients you're working with (doesn't it always).

December 7th, 2008, 02:32 PM	#35
Nick Stone Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 133	Thankyou all for you help. Both cameras are great with three price ranges, now it's time to decide. One last question: How is the EX3 on your chest, shoulder for those extended times away from the tripod. Nick

December 12th, 2008, 02:23 PM	#39
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Hehe! Although that seems to be the case also for Fuji and Canon these days! :-) Will be getting my EX3 on Monday. Then it is the roadmap to getting a decent replacement 2/3". I'll probably get a B4 HD lens for the EX3 a bit down the line to spread the cost of any upgrade. I can bide my time. No hurry.