Naitive XDCAM workflow coming to Premiere Pro CS3 at DVinfo.net

Mitchell Skurnik · April 14th, 2008, 04:20 PM

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pres...O_umbrella.pdf

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In addition, Adobe is extending its commitment to tapeless workflows by announcing native support for the Sony XDCAM EX camera format in Adobe Premiere Pro CS3, augmenting its previously announced support of the Panasonic P2 format.

Not sure if this means that XDCAM HD will be supported or not...we can only hope :)

Mitchell Skurnik · April 14th, 2008, 04:26 PM

Looks like I jumped the gun...
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=860128
XDCAM HD native :)

Mark Dawson · April 14th, 2008, 05:42 PM

Now supported... To find the update it is better to run premiere pro CS3 and go to help menu and select updates..the update cannot be found on the abode web download prem pro CS3 page yet.

Although this is nice now to have there is a problem with colour bleed on reds on moving images people etc in slow motion. Is any one else having the same issue could this be a problem?

Paul Gale · April 15th, 2008, 01:41 AM

Red colour bleed is interesting - not tried it myself yet but we have seen a similar problem on the Matrox Axio LE system before. I wonder if it's related - something to do with Premiere and MXF???

Mark Dawson · April 15th, 2008, 05:56 PM

Hi everyone, I have logged this as a bug with adobe and I have already had a response within 4 hours!! I have supplied footage and will update everyone the outcome.

Mark Dawson · April 16th, 2008, 03:47 PM

I have had a response from Adobe and they have confirmed on footage shot using over and under cranck modes on XDCAM F350 that rending of moving red items is causing a colour bleed on the 3.2 update will inform everyone when I hear more from them.

Paul Gale · April 17th, 2008, 01:20 AM

Thanks for the Info Mark :)

Mark Dawson · May 1st, 2008, 06:53 PM

Hi Everyone here is the reply from Adobe on an error i raised not long ago.

Hi Mark,

Mike Hogan from our QA testing department gave me your name and asked me to follow up with you regarding the XDCAM HD issue that you reported with the Premiere Pro 3.2 update. The issue appears to be with the decoder that we use to decompress these files is failing to do so correctly with highly saturated sections of the image (reds in particular). The issue has been reported to the company that we license our decompressor from and they are working to resolve the issue in a future release. In the meantime, until a fix can be incorporated into the application, we have discovered a work around that will allow you to work with the footage correctly. While the work around is far from optimal from a workflow point of view, it is quite effective in resolving the artifacting problem you’ve brought to our attention. The work around is to use Snell and Wilcox’s free utility MXF Desktop to unwrap the MXF essence files (This utility can be acquired here: http://www.snellwilcox.com/mxf/request.php. Doing so will create an M2V video essence and AES audio essence files. Import both the original MXF and the unwrapped M2V video essence file into Premiere Pro CS3 (the AES audio files will not import). Once the M2V file has finished indexing, align and group the new M2V video file with the MXF audio files. The resulting M2V file will be free of the oversaturated artifacting that was evident in the original MXF file.

It’s very unfortunate that this issue was not found during initial preship testing. I apologize for the inconvenience that you’ll need to contend with until the issue is resolved. Thanks again for bring this issue to our attention.

Cheers,

MWood

Adobe DVA Tier 3 Technical Support

Robert Schemitsch · May 5th, 2008, 10:21 AM

just an other question... I found no option to write the final video back to the disc. is there an option under PP CS3?

Paul Gale · May 5th, 2008, 10:33 AM

AFAIK, you have to export the video as an XDCAM video file and then copy it to the disc using the normal methods.

Robert Schemitsch · May 6th, 2008, 11:52 AM

that was my first thought. but, how can I export a XDCAM-File? I think this feature is not supported yet...

Mitchell Skurnik · May 6th, 2008, 07:37 PM

Export back to the XDCam is not supported. You might be able to export an mpeg2 *.m2v file and find some way to convert your audio to ac3, you should be able to use MXF desktop to wrap those files in a MXF file. Not easy but possible...

Paul Gale · May 7th, 2008, 01:25 AM

Ah sorry - I'd not tried that in native PPro - I have a Matrox Axio system with CS3 that does allow export.

April 14th, 2008, 04:26 PM	#2
Mitchell Skurnik Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, California Posts: 201	Looks like I jumped the gun... http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=860128 XDCAM HD native :) __________________ Mitchell J. Skurnik http://www.mjcsstudios.com/ - EX1, 4x hoodman 16GB, Libec Tripod, Sony LAV

April 14th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#3
Mark Dawson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London (United Kingdom) Posts: 52	Now supported... To find the update it is better to run premiere pro CS3 and go to help menu and select updates..the update cannot be found on the abode web download prem pro CS3 page yet. Although this is nice now to have there is a problem with colour bleed on reds on moving images people etc in slow motion. Is any one else having the same issue could this be a problem? __________________ Mark Dawson - Director www.londonmarkfilms.com www.twitter.com/Londonmarkfilms Last edited by Mark Dawson; April 14th, 2008 at 05:43 PM. Reason: addition

April 15th, 2008, 05:56 PM	#5
Mark Dawson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London (United Kingdom) Posts: 52	Hi everyone, I have logged this as a bug with adobe and I have already had a response within 4 hours!! I have supplied footage and will update everyone the outcome. __________________ Mark Dawson - Director www.londonmarkfilms.com www.twitter.com/Londonmarkfilms

April 16th, 2008, 03:47 PM	#6
Mark Dawson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London (United Kingdom) Posts: 52	I have had a response from Adobe and they have confirmed on footage shot using over and under cranck modes on XDCAM F350 that rending of moving red items is causing a colour bleed on the 3.2 update will inform everyone when I hear more from them. __________________ Mark Dawson - Director www.londonmarkfilms.com www.twitter.com/Londonmarkfilms

May 1st, 2008, 06:53 PM	#8
Mark Dawson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London (United Kingdom) Posts: 52	Update on premiere pro CS3 - MXF Files Hi Everyone here is the reply from Adobe on an error i raised not long ago. Hi Mark, Mike Hogan from our QA testing department gave me your name and asked me to follow up with you regarding the XDCAM HD issue that you reported with the Premiere Pro 3.2 update. The issue appears to be with the decoder that we use to decompress these files is failing to do so correctly with highly saturated sections of the image (reds in particular). The issue has been reported to the company that we license our decompressor from and they are working to resolve the issue in a future release. In the meantime, until a fix can be incorporated into the application, we have discovered a work around that will allow you to work with the footage correctly. While the work around is far from optimal from a workflow point of view, it is quite effective in resolving the artifacting problem you’ve brought to our attention. The work around is to use Snell and Wilcox’s free utility MXF Desktop to unwrap the MXF essence files (This utility can be acquired here: http://www.snellwilcox.com/mxf/request.php. Doing so will create an M2V video essence and AES audio essence files. Import both the original MXF and the unwrapped M2V video essence file into Premiere Pro CS3 (the AES audio files will not import). Once the M2V file has finished indexing, align and group the new M2V video file with the MXF audio files. The resulting M2V file will be free of the oversaturated artifacting that was evident in the original MXF file. It’s very unfortunate that this issue was not found during initial preship testing. I apologize for the inconvenience that you’ll need to contend with until the issue is resolved. Thanks again for bring this issue to our attention. Cheers, MWood Adobe DVA Tier 3 Technical Support __________________ Mark Dawson - Director www.londonmarkfilms.com www.twitter.com/Londonmarkfilms Last edited by Mark Dawson; May 1st, 2008 at 06:54 PM. Reason: update

April 15th, 2008, 01:41 AM	#4
Paul Gale Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 425	Red colour bleed is interesting - not tried it myself yet but we have seen a similar problem on the Matrox Axio LE system before. I wonder if it's related - something to do with Premiere and MXF???

April 17th, 2008, 01:20 AM	#7
Paul Gale Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 425	Thanks for the Info Mark :)

May 5th, 2008, 10:21 AM	#9
Robert Schemitsch Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 44	just an other question... I found no option to write the final video back to the disc. is there an option under PP CS3?

May 5th, 2008, 10:33 AM	#10
Paul Gale Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 425	AFAIK, you have to export the video as an XDCAM video file and then copy it to the disc using the normal methods.

May 6th, 2008, 11:52 AM	#11
Robert Schemitsch Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 44	that was my first thought. but, how can I export a XDCAM-File? I think this feature is not supported yet...

May 6th, 2008, 07:37 PM	#12
Mitchell Skurnik Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, California Posts: 201	Export back to the XDCam is not supported. You might be able to export an mpeg2 *.m2v file and find some way to convert your audio to ac3, you should be able to use MXF desktop to wrap those files in a MXF file. Not easy but possible... __________________ Mitchell J. Skurnik http://www.mjcsstudios.com/ - EX1, 4x hoodman 16GB, Libec Tripod, Sony LAV

May 7th, 2008, 01:25 AM	#13
Paul Gale Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 425	Ah sorry - I'd not tried that in native PPro - I have a Matrox Axio system with CS3 that does allow export.