transfer back to Prof.Disk

Paul Gale · December 7th, 2007, 03:08 AM

How were the MXF files created - were they originals from the camera or created in another edit app etc?

Uli Mors · December 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM

the files have been rendered by Vegas8 in the correct (same) format.

(Sony MXF, HQ etc.)

I remember trying the "desktop copy" some weeks ago - the only difference was that today I used NTSC setting (60i, the original material was 60i too) and a fresh disk instead of a used one adding the files.

ULi

Uli Mors · December 7th, 2007, 03:57 AM

here is what I found - I couldnt get it working by desktop copy.

But I looked closer to the pdz1 software (that I am usually not using) and found "TOOLS -> FAM CLIP COPY", there you can select several mxf files to copy to disk at the same time.

...problem solved...

ULi

Peter Newsom · December 7th, 2007, 08:10 AM

I tried to drag and drop clips to the clip folder and it would only work if I named the files to match what was already on disk. (Example C0055.mxf)

A file named :untitledsequence.mxf" wouldn't work, but all I had to do was change the name to "C0055.mxf" and it went perfectly.

Peter

Uli Mors · December 7th, 2007, 08:43 AM

THAT sounds right...

If I use PDZ Software, files are renamed to C.... as well!

Looks like this was the problem - I´ll have a try in a minute...

ULI

Paul Gale · December 7th, 2007, 09:09 AM

I wonder if the sending device has to update the XML files that are held on the disc along with the clips?

Surely Sony must have some documentation on this process?

Uli Mors · December 8th, 2007, 03:07 AM

the cam generates the proxies itself.

Regards

ULI

Simon Wyndham · December 8th, 2007, 05:16 AM

Try copying one clip to see if that works. Sometimes I have had issues when trying to copy multiple clips at once.

Phil Bloom · December 16th, 2007, 06:02 AM

how can i backup my ex1 cards to my prof discs using a mac and my f350?

Simon Wyndham · December 16th, 2007, 12:26 PM

Phil, that's a good question!

Hideously I think that the only solution until they get U1 writing sorted with a 1920x1080 MXF wrapper is to individually render out MXF's from FCP to export back to the 350.

In other words, at the moment there is no decent solution to the problem.

Alister Chapman · December 16th, 2007, 12:39 PM

Simon you are correct, there is currently no way other than via FCP to create MXF's.

However, if you shoot SP mode the conversion is very quick, similar to the speed of the PC transfer software MP4 to MXF conversion.

I hope Sony add a simple one click transfer to Pro-Disc option for the Mac.

Simon Wyndham · December 16th, 2007, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman

I hope Sony add a simple one click transfer to Pro-Disc option for the Mac.

They need to, and they need to do it fast. This latest version of the transfer software was supposed to bring it in line with the PC version. Quite frankly it hasn't.

Greg Boston · December 16th, 2007, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Wyndham

They need to, and they need to do it fast. This latest version of the transfer software was supposed to bring it in line with the PC version. Quite frankly it hasn't.

Agreed, I was hoping to be able to create a clip list in this version and save it to disc. This version will only read them if they exist on the disc, allowing you to create sub clips out of the clip list.

Another feature I had requested didn't get in either. Maybe next time.

Something else that needs to happen fast... a Leopard compatible ProDisc driver.

-gb-

Simon Wyndham · December 16th, 2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

Something else that needs to happen fast... a Leopard compatible ProDisc driver.
-gb-

Yes, this is a must. In fact Leopard is working superbly for me at the moment without issue. But the only thing that is keeping a bootable Tiger partition on my machine is the need to be able to copy files back to the disc.

Phil Bloom · December 16th, 2007, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Wyndham

Yes, this is a must. In fact Leopard is working superbly for me at the moment without issue. But the only thing that is keeping a bootable Tiger partition on my machine is the need to be able to copy files back to the disc.

Simon, can you not copy files back to the disc in Leopard? I don't have a problem. I can export out of FCP no problem, it's just the disc isn't mounted in the finder and the disc name is all corrupt.

It would be nice to just dump the ex1 files onto the discs with drag and drop! Can't see that happening!

December 16th, 2007, 06:02 AM	#24
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	how can i backup my ex1 cards to my prof discs using a mac and my f350? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 16th, 2007, 12:39 PM	#26
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Simon you are correct, there is currently no way other than via FCP to create MXF's. However, if you shoot SP mode the conversion is very quick, similar to the speed of the PC transfer software MP4 to MXF conversion. I hope Sony add a simple one click transfer to Pro-Disc option for the Mac. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

December 7th, 2007, 03:08 AM	#16
Paul Gale Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 425	How were the MXF files created - were they originals from the camera or created in another edit app etc?

December 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM	#17
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	the files have been rendered by Vegas8 in the correct (same) format. (Sony MXF, HQ etc.) I remember trying the "desktop copy" some weeks ago - the only difference was that today I used NTSC setting (60i, the original material was 60i too) and a fresh disk instead of a used one adding the files. ULi

December 7th, 2007, 03:57 AM	#18
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	here is what I found - I couldnt get it working by desktop copy. But I looked closer to the pdz1 software (that I am usually not using) and found "TOOLS -> FAM CLIP COPY", there you can select several mxf files to copy to disk at the same time. ...problem solved... ULi

December 7th, 2007, 08:10 AM	#19
Peter Newsom Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 182	I tried to drag and drop clips to the clip folder and it would only work if I named the files to match what was already on disk. (Example C0055.mxf) A file named :untitledsequence.mxf" wouldn't work, but all I had to do was change the name to "C0055.mxf" and it went perfectly. Peter

December 7th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#20
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	THAT sounds right... If I use PDZ Software, files are renamed to C.... as well! Looks like this was the problem - I´ll have a try in a minute... ULI

December 7th, 2007, 09:09 AM	#21
Paul Gale Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 425	I wonder if the sending device has to update the XML files that are held on the disc along with the clips? Surely Sony must have some documentation on this process?

December 8th, 2007, 03:07 AM	#22
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	the cam generates the proxies itself. Regards ULI

December 8th, 2007, 05:16 AM	#23
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Try copying one clip to see if that works. Sometimes I have had issues when trying to copy multiple clips at once.

December 16th, 2007, 12:26 PM	#25
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Phil, that's a good question! Hideously I think that the only solution until they get U1 writing sorted with a 1920x1080 MXF wrapper is to individually render out MXF's from FCP to export back to the 350. In other words, at the moment there is no decent solution to the problem.