New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video

Noa Put · April 11th, 2014, 01:09 PM

Even 204000 iso looks usable with a bit of neatvideo treatment, I guess at that point the camera sees a lot more then what your own eyes can perceive. I want one!

Ken Ross · April 11th, 2014, 02:03 PM

It's funny, when I try to capture a dark scene, I try to capture it as my eyes see it. I really don't see the point in making a night scene look like daylight. But then again I've never understood the obsession on having a camera that can do this.

A clean shot whose brightness is indicative of what you see? That I can see (no pun intended). But making daylight from night? Not so much.

Frank Grygier · April 11th, 2014, 02:50 PM

I guess I get the "oh wow" on the high ISO but who wants to shoot anything in light that bad. The jello effect is pretty bad.

Swen Goebbels · April 11th, 2014, 04:20 PM

About the RS (is posted this also in EosHD):

I noticed also RS when playing with the camera. The video makes the A7s look unusable. But just for your info, attached to this A7s was a 70-200mm lens and it was fully zoomed in on the video above. So who is doing a pan like this at 200mm? I don't. Yes for sports it is the wrong camera, but for filming under controlled situations to do a real estate video for example, this is the perfect camera. I have no idea how the rs will look at a GH4 at 200mm. Maybe it will not be that extrem but it will be there for sure!

On the other side when I compared the noise level between the A7s and the Gh4 there was a difference like night and day between both cameras ;-)

Peter Siamidis · April 11th, 2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Noa Put

Even 204000 iso looks usable with a bit of neatvideo treatment, I guess at that point the camera sees a lot more then what your own eyes can perceive. I want one!

What's potentially really cool for me is with this camera is I can get a usable footage with two of my battery operated k4000s led lights, since I'm a one man show this can really help in certain circumstances. Likewise I could show up at a location with just the camera and the same two led lights and presto, I'm ready to go since I can rely on the camera to get usable footage. No cables, no mass of lighting gear, just two light stands, two k4000 bi-colors and the A7s. I definitely want one, but it all comes down to price. At $3000 I'll probably wait, at $2000 I'll buy, in between I'm not really sure yet.

David Heath · April 11th, 2014, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Grygier

I guess I get the "oh wow" on the high ISO but who wants to shoot anything in light that bad.

News crews for one. There are occasions where the use of ANY lighting is out of the question, and if there is a least a little light, this may be an acceptable (and much cheaper!!) alternative to an image intensifier.

Wildlife may be another instance.

Noa Put · April 12th, 2014, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken Ross

But then again I've never understood the obsession on having a camera that can do this.

In my line of work (weddings) these ridiculously high "clean" iso's are all that matter actually, I very often end up in venues that are candle lit only, it's not a matter of shooting it at a iso so it looks like daytime, it's all about selecting a higher f-stop like f4 or even 5.6 on your camera to have a deeper dof to work with and yet still be able to expose the scene like you would see it with your eyes, it's all about have that playing room with your dof and exposure.

At weddings you don't "light" a scene, you take it as it comes, most dslr's that can do 6400 iso have no other option then shoot at f1.4 when it gets too dark, having the luxury to shoot in the ranges of 100 or 200 thousand iso opens up many more possibilities

Noa Put · April 12th, 2014, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Swen Goebbels

I noticed also RS when playing with the camera. The video makes the A7s look unusable.

The ax100 has the same problem, yet I only have seen the issue once where there was faster panning when following a moving train. If you know here the RS can ruin your image you can shoot accordingly and nobody will ever notice. Just don't use it as a sports camera :)

Frank Grygier · April 12th, 2014, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Heath

News crews for one. There are occasions where the use of ANY lighting is out of the question, and if there is a least a little light, this may be an acceptable (and much cheaper!!) alternative to an image intensifier.

Wildlife may be another instance.

OK I get it. I understand event shooters can use the extra stops. I would prefer less RS than night vision.

Philip Lipetz · April 12th, 2014, 08:35 AM

Event shooters will be hampered by the 30 minutes video limit, even outside of the EU.

Steve Kimmel · April 13th, 2014, 10:32 PM

Uh oh. There is a 30 minute limit in the US? Where did you see this?

Vaughan Wood · April 13th, 2014, 10:58 PM

"Event shooters will be hampered by the 30 minutes video limit, even outside of the EU"

Specs on the Sony US website do not mention any recording time limit at all.
(check out 1st link in this thread).

Cheers,

Vaughan

Philip Lipetz · April 14th, 2014, 12:07 PM

The 30 minute limit is in a NAB video interview with Sony. Same limit in RX10. But some other people got conflicting information. This really needs clearing up from official sources.

Mark Donnell · April 15th, 2014, 04:00 PM

This new high-sensitivity full-frame camera opens up some interesting possibilities.Take the poor indoor sports photographer (or videographer) who has a full-frame sensor camera and needs to carry a tripod and a $11,500 Canon 400 mm f2.8 lens to be able to shoot at a decent shutter speed. If this camera gives you an additional three full stops of light, he can suddenly switch to a $1400 Canon 400 mm f5.6 lens and still have one additional stop of shutter speed. Perhaps someone will make a few very small light telephoto lenses with a maximum aperture of f 8 at a much lower price. The resolution across the lens field should be excellent at such a small aperture. Such a lens would be great for birds in flight or other outdoor photography as well, and for video you have the additional benefit of much less demanding focus. For situations when you wanted a shallow depth-of-field, a variable Gaussian blur could be added in post. I see a real future for this sensor and others like it.

Emmanuel Plakiotis · April 15th, 2014, 09:46 PM

Not so long ago I had read that exmor sensor technology was restricted to small sizes. This is the first camera to utilize it for FF and the benefits are eye popping.
So far the usable iso was 4-5 stops below the highest value. If the same rule applies that means that 13200 iso could be production material which is amazing.
The only thing that remains to be seen is the dynamic range. Usually so dimly lit scenes have very high contrast, so in order to shoot with such high iso, you also need all the dynamic range you can get.
Definitely will retire a lot of flashguns...

April 11th, 2014, 01:09 PM	#46
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video Even 204000 iso looks usable with a bit of neatvideo treatment, I guess at that point the camera sees a lot more then what your own eyes can perceive. I want one!

April 11th, 2014, 02:03 PM	#47
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video It's funny, when I try to capture a dark scene, I try to capture it as my eyes see it. I really don't see the point in making a night scene look like daylight. But then again I've never understood the obsession on having a camera that can do this. A clean shot whose brightness is indicative of what you see? That I can see (no pun intended). But making daylight from night? Not so much.

April 11th, 2014, 02:50 PM	#48
Frank Grygier Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin,TX Posts: 125	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video I guess I get the "oh wow" on the high ISO but who wants to shoot anything in light that bad. The jello effect is pretty bad.

April 11th, 2014, 04:20 PM	#49
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video About the RS (is posted this also in EosHD): I noticed also RS when playing with the camera. The video makes the A7s look unusable. But just for your info, attached to this A7s was a 70-200mm lens and it was fully zoomed in on the video above. So who is doing a pan like this at 200mm? I don't. Yes for sports it is the wrong camera, but for filming under controlled situations to do a real estate video for example, this is the perfect camera. I have no idea how the rs will look at a GH4 at 200mm. Maybe it will not be that extrem but it will be there for sure! On the other side when I compared the noise level between the A7s and the Gh4 there was a difference like night and day between both cameras ;-)

April 12th, 2014, 08:35 AM	#55
Philip Lipetz Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 273	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video Event shooters will be hampered by the 30 minutes video limit, even outside of the EU.

April 13th, 2014, 10:32 PM	#56
Steve Kimmel Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 256	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video Uh oh. There is a 30 minute limit in the US? Where did you see this?

April 13th, 2014, 10:58 PM	#57
Vaughan Wood Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 278	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video "Event shooters will be hampered by the 30 minutes video limit, even outside of the EU" Specs on the Sony US website do not mention any recording time limit at all. (check out 1st link in this thread). Cheers, Vaughan

April 14th, 2014, 12:07 PM	#58
Philip Lipetz Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 273	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video The 30 minute limit is in a NAB video interview with Sony. Same limit in RX10. But some other people got conflicting information. This really needs clearing up from official sources. Last edited by Philip Lipetz; April 14th, 2014 at 04:19 PM.

April 15th, 2014, 04:00 PM	#59
Mark Donnell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver City, NM Posts: 385	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video This new high-sensitivity full-frame camera opens up some interesting possibilities.Take the poor indoor sports photographer (or videographer) who has a full-frame sensor camera and needs to carry a tripod and a $11,500 Canon 400 mm f2.8 lens to be able to shoot at a decent shutter speed. If this camera gives you an additional three full stops of light, he can suddenly switch to a $1400 Canon 400 mm f5.6 lens and still have one additional stop of shutter speed. Perhaps someone will make a few very small light telephoto lenses with a maximum aperture of f 8 at a much lower price. The resolution across the lens field should be excellent at such a small aperture. Such a lens would be great for birds in flight or other outdoor photography as well, and for video you have the additional benefit of much less demanding focus. For situations when you wanted a shallow depth-of-field, a variable Gaussian blur could be added in post. I see a real future for this sensor and others like it.

April 15th, 2014, 09:46 PM	#60
Emmanuel Plakiotis Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 344	Re: New Sony A7s to shoot 4K video Not so long ago I had read that exmor sensor technology was restricted to small sizes. This is the first camera to utilize it for FF and the benefits are eye popping. So far the usable iso was 4-5 stops below the highest value. If the same rule applies that means that 13200 iso could be production material which is amazing. The only thing that remains to be seen is the dynamic range. Usually so dimly lit scenes have very high contrast, so in order to shoot with such high iso, you also need all the dynamic range you can get. Definitely will retire a lot of flashguns...