Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100

Ron Evans · September 11th, 2014, 08:18 PM

The manuals for the PXW-X160/180 are also up on the same site.

Ron Evans

David Dixon · September 11th, 2014, 08:25 PM

Hmm, looks like it does not include the AX100's 120fps in any mode at all. It does however retain the touchscreen manual focus.

I'll be anxious to see more sample videos. I'm also hoping Sony will give more details soon about the upgrade to 4K and what else is included with that.

Ron Evans · September 11th, 2014, 08:38 PM

I does not have a " My Buttons feature" for the LCD which I like on my NX30U but does have assignable buttons though.

Ron Evans

Gabor Heeres · September 12th, 2014, 12:52 AM

Heading for IBC opening in Amsterdam today. Hoping that Sony has it on the stand. Would be good if we finally can put some hands on the X70 and it will no longer be a "behind glass" presentation only. Will let you guys know.

Andrew Smith · September 12th, 2014, 02:49 AM

This is the sort of think that is so awesome about DVinfo ... people around the globe which effectively give us all an incredible resource like a major news network would have.

Andrew

Tony Maceo · September 12th, 2014, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman

30p is NOT a 1.5G HDSDI standard, never has been and never will be. This is not a Sony limitation, it is an industry wide limitation because 30p and 25p were not in use when the 1.5G HDSDI standards were laid down. So to be compliant with industry standards most cameras use PsF.
The standard for 30p over HDSDI is 30psf, a signal that electronically is identical to 60i but actually contains a true progressive stream.

The X70 outputs 30p over HDSDI using PsF, like just about every other camera.

HDSDI is so much better than HDMI. It's 10 bit, 422. The connector won't just fall out, and is much more reliable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Totten

It's a non-issue. Something Sony has already done nicely on their other cameras for a long time.

Nothing wrong with 29.97 psf. It's the best of both worlds. You get 100% of the progressive look you need and can still transport it over the industry normal 60i standard. A 2:2 pulldown is basically lossless. It just joins the top and bottom fields back to it's original 30p source frame. (no pixels lost, no motion artifacts)

It's a win/win situation!

(The only theoretical problem could maybe arise if the system tried to pull a top field from frame "5" and a bottom field from frame "6" and try to join them together...ehhh, I doubt that would ever happen)

CT

I brought this up and looked into it because the new Canon XF205 DOES output a true native 30p signal over 3G-SDI. Maybe I need to check the manual again, but I'm quite sure I read this.

29.97psf is an issue for those using popular vision mixers such as Blackmagic ATEM 4k and Roland VR50, etc. When in 1080p mode, that input signal has to be progressive. Tricasters do have a 2:2 pulldown setting, but out of our price range for multi-cam live mixing/streaming. Sure there are "inline" solutions from Atomos and AJA to do the 2:2 pulldown before it reaches the mixer, but thats just one more added cost, one more fail potential point, and everything else that comes with hardware required where another camera would not need it.

To summarize, those looking for the ideal video camera in this price segment to produce live streaming events up to 1080p with "minimal add-on conversion hardware", the XF205 currently remains the best choice.

Gabor Heeres · September 12th, 2014, 04:19 PM

Extensively had the hands on the X70 today at IBC. Sony has three models on the stand, so all chances to just try the camera. And I must say, Sony made a very interesting move with this camcorder. Though, in lowlight the camera with it's 1" sensor is not as good as I was hoping for after reading the first reviews. Inside the exhibition hall on 0dB, with a clear ND, shutterspeed 50 and iris wide-open, it just didn't do it. I needed at least 9 dB gain to achieve an acceptably illuminated picture. It's not a lot better than Canon XA20/25 but way better than JVC's HM150.

Furthermore, the lenshood doesn't include a closing feature. You gonna do it with an oldschool lenscap there. Yeah, that nasty thing you always loose or bungles on your camcorder on a cord. The PMW-100 does already had that and this X70 also unfortunately. In that aspect, the XA20/25 is better designed.

Ow and yeah, something expected was on my request confirmed by an official Sony representative. The PMW-100 is already out of production and will leave the productline officially after the X70 is released.

Andrew Smith · September 12th, 2014, 05:24 PM

While you are there, ask them about the future of the PMW-150 and 200. Just curious.

See the Area 51 post: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/area-51/...continued.html

Andrew

Ron Evans · September 12th, 2014, 05:38 PM

I think it was already mentioned that the PXW-X160/180 would replace the NX5U, PMW-150/160. I am sure the announced PXW-X200 will also replace the PMW-200.

One thing someone could ask about is when the firmware update will come out for the PXW-Z100 and the FDR-AX1.

Ron Evans

Gabor Heeres · September 13th, 2014, 12:29 AM

Yep, that was also my thought Ron. Though I see the PXW-X70 as a whole new camcorder. The PMW-100 was a different camcorder. For those who need/love the SxS workflow there is no entry-level camcorder anymore. Also it doesn't support the XDCAM HD 422 codec anymore. And while XAVC seems the way to go most broadcasters still require it. I wouldn't be too surprised if there would be a PXW-X100 with a single 1/3" chip, XAVC and XDCAM 422 codecs and a 10x or 12x lens soon.....

Ron Evans · September 13th, 2014, 06:52 AM

I do not think Sony will bother to replace the PMW-100 as the PXW-X160 is not a lot more expensive and a much better camcorder.

Ron Evans

Cliff Totten · September 13th, 2014, 09:46 AM

Has anybody read about the future upgrade specs yet? 4:2:0 100 mbp/s or even 4:2:2 sampling?

Nothing yet? Price?

CT

Gabor Heeres · September 13th, 2014, 10:10 AM

The Sony representative could confirm the already expected update-price to me yesterday: €500 / $600. Nothing about the update itself yet. I hope the XDCAM HD 422 codec is brought back. To me that would make it much better to justify than 4K. But yeah, ENG work is always pretty oldschool ;-).

David Dixon · September 13th, 2014, 10:48 PM

No 120fps in any resolution at all? Has there been any mention that it might be added with the 4K upgrade?

Hans Stephan · September 14th, 2014, 03:08 AM

Dan Carter / post #147 ...X70 Operation Manual is now online: http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/support/op.../1237493097718

yes, thats right, but curios....for the real "German-Manual"
you need go to the "Spain" Sony-Site and load down the "Spain Manual" ...and you have the real German Manual version
http://www.sony.es/pro/support/opera.../1237493097811

in cause to ... from the "German" Sony-Site you load down the ...Spain Manual version ...LOL
http://www.sony.de/pro/support/opera.../1237493097781

Oh...it is a Sony.....

September 11th, 2014, 08:18 PM	#151
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 The manuals for the PXW-X160/180 are also up on the same site. Ron Evans

September 11th, 2014, 08:25 PM	#152
David Dixon Major Player Join Date: May 2011 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 495	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 Hmm, looks like it does not include the AX100's 120fps in any mode at all. It does however retain the touchscreen manual focus. I'll be anxious to see more sample videos. I'm also hoping Sony will give more details soon about the upgrade to 4K and what else is included with that.

September 11th, 2014, 08:38 PM	#153
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 I does not have a " My Buttons feature" for the LCD which I like on my NX30U but does have assignable buttons though. Ron Evans

September 12th, 2014, 12:52 AM	#154
Gabor Heeres Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands Posts: 322	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 Heading for IBC opening in Amsterdam today. Hoping that Sony has it on the stand. Would be good if we finally can put some hands on the X70 and it will no longer be a "behind glass" presentation only. Will let you guys know.

September 12th, 2014, 02:49 AM	#155
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 This is the sort of think that is so awesome about DVinfo ... people around the globe which effectively give us all an incredible resource like a major news network would have. Andrew

September 12th, 2014, 04:19 PM	#157
Gabor Heeres Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands Posts: 322	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 Extensively had the hands on the X70 today at IBC. Sony has three models on the stand, so all chances to just try the camera. And I must say, Sony made a very interesting move with this camcorder. Though, in lowlight the camera with it's 1" sensor is not as good as I was hoping for after reading the first reviews. Inside the exhibition hall on 0dB, with a clear ND, shutterspeed 50 and iris wide-open, it just didn't do it. I needed at least 9 dB gain to achieve an acceptably illuminated picture. It's not a lot better than Canon XA20/25 but way better than JVC's HM150. Furthermore, the lenshood doesn't include a closing feature. You gonna do it with an oldschool lenscap there. Yeah, that nasty thing you always loose or bungles on your camcorder on a cord. The PMW-100 does already had that and this X70 also unfortunately. In that aspect, the XA20/25 is better designed. Ow and yeah, something expected was on my request confirmed by an official Sony representative. The PMW-100 is already out of production and will leave the productline officially after the X70 is released.

September 12th, 2014, 05:24 PM	#158
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 While you are there, ask them about the future of the PMW-150 and 200. Just curious. See the Area 51 post: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/area-51/...continued.html Andrew

September 12th, 2014, 05:38 PM	#159
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 I think it was already mentioned that the PXW-X160/180 would replace the NX5U, PMW-150/160. I am sure the announced PXW-X200 will also replace the PMW-200. One thing someone could ask about is when the firmware update will come out for the PXW-Z100 and the FDR-AX1. Ron Evans

September 13th, 2014, 12:29 AM	#160
Gabor Heeres Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands Posts: 322	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 Yep, that was also my thought Ron. Though I see the PXW-X70 as a whole new camcorder. The PMW-100 was a different camcorder. For those who need/love the SxS workflow there is no entry-level camcorder anymore. Also it doesn't support the XDCAM HD 422 codec anymore. And while XAVC seems the way to go most broadcasters still require it. I wouldn't be too surprised if there would be a PXW-X100 with a single 1/3" chip, XAVC and XDCAM 422 codecs and a 10x or 12x lens soon.....

September 13th, 2014, 06:52 AM	#161
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 I do not think Sony will bother to replace the PMW-100 as the PXW-X160 is not a lot more expensive and a much better camcorder. Ron Evans

September 13th, 2014, 09:46 AM	#162
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 Has anybody read about the future upgrade specs yet? 4:2:0 100 mbp/s or even 4:2:2 sampling? Nothing yet? Price? CT

September 13th, 2014, 10:10 AM	#163
Gabor Heeres Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands Posts: 322	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 The Sony representative could confirm the already expected update-price to me yesterday: €500 / $600. Nothing about the update itself yet. I hope the XDCAM HD 422 codec is brought back. To me that would make it much better to justify than 4K. But yeah, ENG work is always pretty oldschool ;-).

September 13th, 2014, 10:48 PM	#164
David Dixon Major Player Join Date: May 2011 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 495	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 No 120fps in any resolution at all? Has there been any mention that it might be added with the 4K upgrade?

September 14th, 2014, 03:08 AM	#165
Hans Stephan Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Vienna / Austria Posts: 37	Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100 Dan Carter / post #147 ...X70 Operation Manual is now online: http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/support/op.../1237493097718 yes, thats right, but curios....for the real "German-Manual" you need go to the "Spain" Sony-Site and load down the "Spain Manual" ...and you have the real German Manual version http://www.sony.es/pro/support/opera.../1237493097811 in cause to ... from the "German" Sony-Site you load down the ...Spain Manual version ...LOL http://www.sony.de/pro/support/opera.../1237493097781 Oh...it is a Sony.....