first 16mm b+w at DVinfo.net

Riley Harmon · March 18th, 2007, 06:47 PM

first 16mm b+w on bolex kodak reversal
[for outdoor lighting test for class]

originally edited by hand, this one in final cut

http://rileyharmon.com/temp/meta.mov

Daniel Gast · March 19th, 2007, 10:07 AM

What a strange short. I won't lie, it caught my interest, so I guess you succeeded there.

The jerking-motion of, what was it, stream of thought, it seemed? was a bit much...but hey, artistic interpretation I suppose.

I don't think you really USED film as much as you could've. It's quite a medium, one I wish I had more access to for practice.

But overall, somehow, I liked it. It was just a lighting test?

Riley Harmon · March 19th, 2007, 09:24 PM

that was our first time picking up a bolex, so we werent really used to the whole film as a medium thing

Cory Sheldon · March 19th, 2007, 10:58 PM

Very good editing, a sort of organic style inside a mechanical structure. Good music too, that's radiohead right? I'd say just a few of the shots could use some slightly more interesting compositions or just better framing but overall I think it really worked well, interesting short.

John Hudson · March 23rd, 2007, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley Harmon

... we werent really used to the whole film as a medium thing

The Quote of the Month.

Riley Harmon · March 23rd, 2007, 08:52 PM

hah, whats that mean

John Hudson · March 24th, 2007, 10:51 AM

Not being used to 'film as medium'.

Just a sign of the times ! :P As if it was archaic almost :P

Riley Harmon · March 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM

mhm...

indeed
as much as I am used to digital and stuff, you gotta learn where all that came from, all the editing terminology and everything is completely relevant to digital image making. all the same concepts.

i will say this, one big thing ive learned from using film is the ability to go with the flow. i just had to shoot my final this week over spring break, and i was beating my brains out trying to figure out my concept and how I would execute it. It was extremely frustrating, but I shot 3 spools and just went with it. Just shipped off the film to MA for processing and transfer. I just tried to shoot some stuff I thought worked well instead of scripting out stuff and trying to be a control freak. I guess I've learned over the years that if you do that, you're inevitably setting yourself up for grief, because things always change. I see all my classmates trying to plan out elaborate stuff and its just not possible with the time and money we have, guess we'll find out in a few days. Its quite ironic, you would think that you would play and experiment more in digital, but the same applies to film. [just more expensive]

the magic happens in the edit

Joel L. Young · March 24th, 2007, 07:45 PM

Enjoyed the short. Pretty interesting. Would like to see the original edit by hand and compare the two.

Adam Bray · April 1st, 2007, 04:01 PM

What kind of Bolex did you shoot that on? Like one of the cheaper older models, or a Rex 4 or 5?

Riley Harmon · April 2nd, 2007, 11:11 AM

a reflex bolex h16 with the stock spring motor and lots of gaff tape to keep out light leaks

Adam Bray · April 14th, 2007, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley Harmon

a reflex bolex h16 with the stock spring motor and lots of gaff tape to keep out light leaks

Do you know if was one of older Bolex H16 or a newer one?

A newer one will have a big flat base like this and it can sit upright on a table....

http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/97/e4/5024_1.JPG

An older one with have a small round thing sticking out the bottom and can't sit on a table..

http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/91/90/eb08_1_b.JPG

Riley Harmon · April 14th, 2007, 11:51 AM

newer one with flat base, why do you ask?
plan on getting one?

Adam Bray · April 14th, 2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley Harmon

newer one with flat base, why do you ask?
plan on getting one?

Yeah, I have been wanting one. I have heard the older ones are a little harder to shoot film with cause the viewfinder is not as good. That's why I was asking if it was a newer or older one.

How is the viewfinder in the one you used? I have never handled a Bolex, just curious how hard it is to see through the viewfinder.

Matt Newcomb · April 14th, 2007, 02:49 PM

So let's say I've never shot on film before and I wanted to give it a try. What's a pretty inexpensive way to go about doing it? What is starting prices to get into a decent used 16mm camera, or should I just go to super 8 or something?

March 18th, 2007, 06:47 PM	#1
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	first 16mm b+w first 16mm b+w on bolex kodak reversal [for outdoor lighting test for class] originally edited by hand, this one in final cut http://rileyharmon.com/temp/meta.mov

March 19th, 2007, 10:07 AM	#2
Daniel Gast Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Miami, Florida, USA Posts: 69	What a strange short. I won't lie, it caught my interest, so I guess you succeeded there. The jerking-motion of, what was it, stream of thought, it seemed? was a bit much...but hey, artistic interpretation I suppose. I don't think you really USED film as much as you could've. It's quite a medium, one I wish I had more access to for practice. But overall, somehow, I liked it. It was just a lighting test? __________________ Dan Gast JD Video Productions

March 19th, 2007, 09:24 PM	#3
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	that was our first time picking up a bolex, so we werent really used to the whole film as a medium thing

March 19th, 2007, 10:58 PM	#4
Cory Sheldon Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 33	Very good editing, a sort of organic style inside a mechanical structure. Good music too, that's radiohead right? I'd say just a few of the shots could use some slightly more interesting compositions or just better framing but overall I think it really worked well, interesting short.

March 23rd, 2007, 08:52 PM	#6
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	hah, whats that mean

March 24th, 2007, 10:51 AM	#7
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Not being used to 'film as medium'. Just a sign of the times ! :P As if it was archaic almost :P

March 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM	#8
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	mhm... indeed as much as I am used to digital and stuff, you gotta learn where all that came from, all the editing terminology and everything is completely relevant to digital image making. all the same concepts. i will say this, one big thing ive learned from using film is the ability to go with the flow. i just had to shoot my final this week over spring break, and i was beating my brains out trying to figure out my concept and how I would execute it. It was extremely frustrating, but I shot 3 spools and just went with it. Just shipped off the film to MA for processing and transfer. I just tried to shoot some stuff I thought worked well instead of scripting out stuff and trying to be a control freak. I guess I've learned over the years that if you do that, you're inevitably setting yourself up for grief, because things always change. I see all my classmates trying to plan out elaborate stuff and its just not possible with the time and money we have, guess we'll find out in a few days. Its quite ironic, you would think that you would play and experiment more in digital, but the same applies to film. [just more expensive] the magic happens in the edit

March 24th, 2007, 07:45 PM	#9
Joel L. Young Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 55	Enjoyed the short. Pretty interesting. Would like to see the original edit by hand and compare the two.

April 1st, 2007, 04:01 PM	#10
Adam Bray Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston/Austin Posts: 394	What kind of Bolex did you shoot that on? Like one of the cheaper older models, or a Rex 4 or 5?

April 2nd, 2007, 11:11 AM	#11
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	a reflex bolex h16 with the stock spring motor and lots of gaff tape to keep out light leaks

April 14th, 2007, 11:51 AM	#13
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	newer one with flat base, why do you ask? plan on getting one?

April 14th, 2007, 02:49 PM	#15
Matt Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 212	So let's say I've never shot on film before and I wanted to give it a try. What's a pretty inexpensive way to go about doing it? What is starting prices to get into a decent used 16mm camera, or should I just go to super 8 or something?