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Ron Adair · October 30th, 2006, 01:32 PM

This is my first thing I've shot with this camera. It was a test to see how the camera responded in 24p and post processing to emulate a more "movie/film" like characteristic. I would appreciate some feedback.

Here's the footage (quicktime 7 required):
http://how2instruct.com/downloads/test1small.mov

Ron Adair · November 1st, 2006, 02:23 AM

is it that bad? I'd love to hear that it's sweet...but I'll settle for "give up now".

Greg Boston · November 1st, 2006, 06:14 AM

Okay, I watched it. Looked pretty good in most places. I didn't like the final rewind shot cause it didn't take me back to any place in particular. Also, in terms of file size and downloading, you left about 21 seconds of black at the end of the file. That's a bit much and is a waste of bandwidth. I also would have preferred a true 16:9 encode rather than 4:3 letterbox.

JMO,

-gb-

Ron Adair · November 1st, 2006, 12:13 PM

Greg, thanks for the feedback. I agree with most of your comments, and figured someone would mention the black too. :) Still working on trying to get FCP figured out...I've done a lot with still images and slideshows, as I'm a still photographer of 13 years. Video has proven to be a bit of a leap.

This was a simple test with literally less than 1 minute of planning. We just wanted to get some raw footage to see how it handled in general, and what could be done with it in post. I am mostly interested in seeing how others feel about the "look and feel" of the footage. I know how it appears to me. How does it look to the rest of you? For a first test, am I going in the right direction to achieving the film look? Does this appear video-ish? Is the filming/cutting good, bad? I would really like some feedback on the quality merits, as well as any other suggestions as above. Thanks for taking the time. I've got a lot to learn.

So, in essence, how does this footage stack up against the other dv you guys are seeing here?

Jason Dirks · November 2nd, 2006, 07:53 PM

Ron,

The footage actually looks really good, I think. And for little planning the cuts look good. A little too much time dwelling on the walking to the elevator I think, but if you were experimenting for styles of edits and look of footage I'd say this is successful in that regard.

What camera/setup were you using, by the way? Did you have a seperate focus pull mechanism or did you just use the focus ring specifically for the out of focus to in focus shot in the elevator?

Ron Adair · November 2nd, 2006, 10:13 PM

Jason,

Thanks for sharing. I agree that the storyline is poor, this being due to the fact that there was no real storyline, per se. Just testing things out. Thanks for the compliments and positive feedback. It's always good to hear.

As for the gear, I was using an XL-2 with the 20x lens. I didn't have anything but the stock lens/body...Boy, is it tough coming from photography where I only have to freeze and shoot for 1 shot, instead of 24...PER SECOND!

Yes, the elevator shot was strictly the "crap-shoot" style I've heard (and am beginning to find) is true with the Canons. One thing that kind of drives me away from wanting to purchase a Canon for myself. I would really like mechanical zoom/focus, as they are so much more reliable. I suppose this is more a personal preference in a prosumer camera, however. I'll be posting some more footage soon. I actually have an indoor/lit scene that I fooled around with last night. Check it out, and let me know what your opinions are, if you don't mind. (Once again, this is strictly test material, but I suppose most people will rag on it being too long here or too much there) I really would appreciate feedback on quality of footage, cutting, effects, lighting, exposure...critical feedback. I'm testing the limits of the camera here, so if you have tips on how to really dial this camera in, I'm all ears.

(Quicktime 7 required):
http://how2instruct.com/downloads/test2small.mov

Luke Springer · November 2nd, 2006, 11:29 PM

Very nice! I like your style. I would really like to see some more... maybe try something with a story. Keep up the good work.

How did you do the moon shot? Time lapse? The trees were very still.

Luke

Ron Adair · November 3rd, 2006, 01:52 AM

Thanks for the nice words Luke. I'll definitely be putting more up as I get a chance to shoot. I have an idea of how I may be able to expand my second clip (guy reading book), but we'll see once the footage is created. I must admit, as much work as it is to shoot video, I think I'm having way too much fun already. I'm enjoying this a lot.

The moon shot was just tripod mounted, and the clips were probably between 5-10 minutes each. The area where I was shooting was somewhat woodsy, and fairly shielded, so maybe that's where the "stillness" came from in the tree branches.

Ron Adair · December 1st, 2006, 01:57 AM

Here is some new footage I've recently shot and cut together. I'd love all your input. Thanks.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...253#post582253

This is done with the XL-2, captured direct to disk on an Apple Macbook Pro.

Adam Bray · December 6th, 2006, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Adair

The moon shot was just tripod mounted, and the clips were probably between 5-10 minutes each. The area where I was shooting was somewhat woodsy, and fairly shielded, so maybe that's where the "stillness" came from in the tree branches.

Wow. Even thought there was no story, the footage was awesome. Looked great.

October 30th, 2006, 01:32 PM	#1
Ron Adair New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12	XL-2 Footage This is my first thing I've shot with this camera. It was a test to see how the camera responded in 24p and post processing to emulate a more "movie/film" like characteristic. I would appreciate some feedback. Here's the footage (quicktime 7 required): http://how2instruct.com/downloads/test1small.mov Last edited by Ron Adair; October 30th, 2006 at 08:13 PM.

November 1st, 2006, 02:23 AM	#2
Ron Adair New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12	ummm.... is it that bad? I'd love to hear that it's sweet...but I'll settle for "give up now".

November 1st, 2006, 12:13 PM	#4
Ron Adair New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12	Thanks Greg, thanks for the feedback. I agree with most of your comments, and figured someone would mention the black too. :) Still working on trying to get FCP figured out...I've done a lot with still images and slideshows, as I'm a still photographer of 13 years. Video has proven to be a bit of a leap. This was a simple test with literally less than 1 minute of planning. We just wanted to get some raw footage to see how it handled in general, and what could be done with it in post. I am mostly interested in seeing how others feel about the "look and feel" of the footage. I know how it appears to me. How does it look to the rest of you? For a first test, am I going in the right direction to achieving the film look? Does this appear video-ish? Is the filming/cutting good, bad? I would really like some feedback on the quality merits, as well as any other suggestions as above. Thanks for taking the time. I've got a lot to learn. So, in essence, how does this footage stack up against the other dv you guys are seeing here?

November 2nd, 2006, 11:29 PM	#7
Luke Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Washington Posts: 60	Very nice! I like your style. I would really like to see some more... maybe try something with a story. Keep up the good work. How did you do the moon shot? Time lapse? The trees were very still. Luke __________________ Luke Springer

December 1st, 2006, 01:57 AM	#9
Ron Adair New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12	New footage Here is some new footage I've recently shot and cut together. I'd love all your input. Thanks. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...253#post582253 This is done with the XL-2, captured direct to disk on an Apple Macbook Pro.

November 1st, 2006, 06:14 AM	#3
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Okay, I watched it. Looked pretty good in most places. I didn't like the final rewind shot cause it didn't take me back to any place in particular. Also, in terms of file size and downloading, you left about 21 seconds of black at the end of the file. That's a bit much and is a waste of bandwidth. I also would have preferred a true 16:9 encode rather than 4:3 letterbox. JMO, -gb-

November 2nd, 2006, 07:53 PM	#5
Jason Dirks Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 27	Ron, The footage actually looks really good, I think. And for little planning the cuts look good. A little too much time dwelling on the walking to the elevator I think, but if you were experimenting for styles of edits and look of footage I'd say this is successful in that regard. What camera/setup were you using, by the way? Did you have a seperate focus pull mechanism or did you just use the focus ring specifically for the out of focus to in focus shot in the elevator?

November 2nd, 2006, 10:13 PM	#6
Ron Adair New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12	Jason, Thanks for sharing. I agree that the storyline is poor, this being due to the fact that there was no real storyline, per se. Just testing things out. Thanks for the compliments and positive feedback. It's always good to hear. As for the gear, I was using an XL-2 with the 20x lens. I didn't have anything but the stock lens/body...Boy, is it tough coming from photography where I only have to freeze and shoot for 1 shot, instead of 24...PER SECOND! Yes, the elevator shot was strictly the "crap-shoot" style I've heard (and am beginning to find) is true with the Canons. One thing that kind of drives me away from wanting to purchase a Canon for myself. I would really like mechanical zoom/focus, as they are so much more reliable. I suppose this is more a personal preference in a prosumer camera, however. I'll be posting some more footage soon. I actually have an indoor/lit scene that I fooled around with last night. Check it out, and let me know what your opinions are, if you don't mind. (Once again, this is strictly test material, but I suppose most people will rag on it being too long here or too much there) I really would appreciate feedback on quality of footage, cutting, effects, lighting, exposure...critical feedback. I'm testing the limits of the camera here, so if you have tips on how to really dial this camera in, I'm all ears. (Quicktime 7 required): http://how2instruct.com/downloads/test2small.mov

November 3rd, 2006, 01:52 AM	#8
Ron Adair New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12	Thanks for the nice words Luke. I'll definitely be putting more up as I get a chance to shoot. I have an idea of how I may be able to expand my second clip (guy reading book), but we'll see once the footage is created. I must admit, as much work as it is to shoot video, I think I'm having way too much fun already. I'm enjoying this a lot. The moon shot was just tripod mounted, and the clips were probably between 5-10 minutes each. The area where I was shooting was somewhat woodsy, and fairly shielded, so maybe that's where the "stillness" came from in the tree branches.