Show Your Work 2007

Anton Zhu · November 29th, 2007, 01:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO9L3ED74Tk

Anton Zhu · November 29th, 2007, 01:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwYK-OMC_I

Bert Smyth · November 29th, 2007, 04:38 PM

Well, this for me is one of those videos where the format is more important than the content. You've got lots of unmotivated zooms, just pulling out to reveal...? and the tripod work is really unsteady. I'd much rather see a video in SD that was smoother, and a little less aimless. It just seems like a bunch of meandering shots without any real subject. I'm not talking about putting people in your shots, but just that each shot should have a specific theme, like the guy paddling the canoe.

I've never used your tripod, but I bet its 95% responsible for the shakiness. To be honest, I thought at the start that is was handheld footage. If you can, rent a really high end tripod for a day (William F. Whites may be able to help you out) and see what you can do with it. I use a Miller Arrow 30, and won't touch those Bogen's, but some people can make them work. I couldn't.

Some of your shots looked a little underexposed, but that could also be just the compression. I just think that you still need to tell a good visual story when shooting... just rolling in "HD" isn't enough. And ease up on the zooming. If you like to zoom too much, go out and shoot for a day without doing any zooming at all... it'll really help you think of interesting camera angles and framing the shots. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I think you're trying to go in the right direction, just: less zooming, better tripod, make light work for you, and don't get caught up in the format. (though I believe they've now switched to HD, OPB down here did tons of work in SD that was just stunning...)

Marcus Marchesseault · November 29th, 2007, 11:58 PM

While I am not a fan of hip-hop music, I can say that your video is energetic and looks very professional. You used a few unusual camera angles that were appropriate for the varying geometries of the dancing but didn't get too chaotic. Nice work.

Marcus Marchesseault · November 30th, 2007, 03:29 AM

It looks like you are getting a MacBook! Perhaps I am early and I don't want to curse your chances, but your video does seem the best overall. The video in second place is a good concept but yours is better executed. How did you get performers for your video if it is an outside submission contest? Is that a stand-in band?

Volker Krieger · November 30th, 2007, 02:39 PM

Sorry for the double thread...

Nathan Quattrini · November 30th, 2007, 03:44 PM

I just want to know if the angles all seem to work properly, or did i reverse some shots by accident. Sorry about the poor audio quality, but it is a test after all

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fusea...deoid=23066682

Jack Zhang · November 30th, 2007, 06:39 PM

I was a beginner, I just got my HC7 when I posted this.

I just edited to the music, and did generic pans. It is sort of a travel video after all.

Jon Fairhurst · November 30th, 2007, 08:55 PM

I agree with Bert. The handheld shots and the lack of a story made it feel like an amateur Super 8 production. I don't mean to knock it. This can be useful in a first person point-of-view scene.

Smooth pans and zooms are super critical for a travelogue feel. And an expensive tripod is the key.

Of course, you could stabilize it with software and crop as needed, but that's a fix, not the goal.

BTW, we have a Cultus Lake and Creek down here in WA state as well. It's a nice hike, but avoid it in June. The mosquitoes are hell!

Jay Gladwell · December 1st, 2007, 06:28 AM

I suggest you invest in the book "The Five C's of Cinematography" and read it thoroughly.

And stay away from mirrors!

Volker Krieger · December 1st, 2007, 11:17 AM

The download links are restored...

Nathan Quattrini · December 1st, 2007, 11:40 AM

mirrors?

and I can`t buy and read that book in a day (in fact i already filmed part of it today)

*edit* ooooh mirrors....actual ones. This is just a test video as it states twice on the page actually...its not the location its being filmed in ;)

Craig Parkes · December 1st, 2007, 12:25 PM

Hi Devin, I really like the lightbox back lighting of the band. Despite only having a consumer handicam at your disposal your choice of lighting, and the good use of post production techniques the opening of your video makes it look really slick and professional, only the narrative bits inside the house give away that it wasn't shot on a higher quality format.

Great work, and congrats on the win.

Carl Middleton · December 2nd, 2007, 06:14 PM

http://www.stage6.com/user/WhizkidMe...ure-All-Around

I was filming random footage, trying out some new picture profiles and testing 50i->23.976p using Cineform, grading done with Magic Bullet. I was also experimenting with Magic Bullet Looks, as I hadn't tried it yet. I decided to make it into a faux demo reel/promo for a show that doesn't exist. :) Filmed with a Z1. Let me know what you guys think!

Carl

Dale Guthormsen · December 2nd, 2007, 08:37 PM

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November 29th, 2007, 01:24 PM	#1186
Anton Zhu Tourist Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 3	How about this video!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO9L3ED74Tk

November 29th, 2007, 01:26 PM	#1187
Anton Zhu Tourist Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 3	the narrowest bystreet in the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwYK-OMC_I

November 30th, 2007, 02:39 PM	#1191
Volker Krieger Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dortmund/Germany Posts: 34	Experimental Short about a Chatroom (Germany) Sorry for the double thread... __________________ www.volkerkrieger.de www.kettenvideo.de Last edited by Volker Krieger; December 1st, 2007 at 11:19 AM.

November 30th, 2007, 03:44 PM	#1192
Nathan Quattrini Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warwick, Rhode Island Posts: 740	need quick input - filming saturday morning I just want to know if the angles all seem to work properly, or did i reverse some shots by accident. Sorry about the poor audio quality, but it is a test after all http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fusea...deoid=23066682 __________________ Cinematography Site

November 30th, 2007, 08:55 PM	#1194
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	I agree with Bert. The handheld shots and the lack of a story made it feel like an amateur Super 8 production. I don't mean to knock it. This can be useful in a first person point-of-view scene. Smooth pans and zooms are super critical for a travelogue feel. And an expensive tripod is the key. Of course, you could stabilize it with software and crop as needed, but that's a fix, not the goal. BTW, we have a Cultus Lake and Creek down here in WA state as well. It's a nice hike, but avoid it in June. The mosquitoes are hell! __________________ Jon Fairhurst

November 29th, 2007, 04:38 PM	#1188
Bert Smyth Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 178	Well, this for me is one of those videos where the format is more important than the content. You've got lots of unmotivated zooms, just pulling out to reveal...? and the tripod work is really unsteady. I'd much rather see a video in SD that was smoother, and a little less aimless. It just seems like a bunch of meandering shots without any real subject. I'm not talking about putting people in your shots, but just that each shot should have a specific theme, like the guy paddling the canoe. I've never used your tripod, but I bet its 95% responsible for the shakiness. To be honest, I thought at the start that is was handheld footage. If you can, rent a really high end tripod for a day (William F. Whites may be able to help you out) and see what you can do with it. I use a Miller Arrow 30, and won't touch those Bogen's, but some people can make them work. I couldn't. Some of your shots looked a little underexposed, but that could also be just the compression. I just think that you still need to tell a good visual story when shooting... just rolling in "HD" isn't enough. And ease up on the zooming. If you like to zoom too much, go out and shoot for a day without doing any zooming at all... it'll really help you think of interesting camera angles and framing the shots. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I think you're trying to go in the right direction, just: less zooming, better tripod, make light work for you, and don't get caught up in the format. (though I believe they've now switched to HD, OPB down here did tons of work in SD that was just stunning...)

November 29th, 2007, 11:58 PM	#1189
Marcus Marchesseault Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,961	While I am not a fan of hip-hop music, I can say that your video is energetic and looks very professional. You used a few unusual camera angles that were appropriate for the varying geometries of the dancing but didn't get too chaotic. Nice work.

November 30th, 2007, 03:29 AM	#1190
Marcus Marchesseault Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,961	It looks like you are getting a MacBook! Perhaps I am early and I don't want to curse your chances, but your video does seem the best overall. The video in second place is a good concept but yours is better executed. How did you get performers for your video if it is an outside submission contest? Is that a stand-in band?

November 30th, 2007, 06:39 PM	#1193
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	I was a beginner, I just got my HC7 when I posted this. I just edited to the music, and did generic pans. It is sort of a travel video after all.

December 1st, 2007, 06:28 AM	#1195
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	I suggest you invest in the book "The Five C's of Cinematography" and read it thoroughly. And stay away from mirrors!

December 1st, 2007, 11:17 AM	#1196
Volker Krieger Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dortmund/Germany Posts: 34	The download links are restored... __________________ www.volkerkrieger.de www.kettenvideo.de

December 1st, 2007, 11:40 AM	#1197
Nathan Quattrini Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warwick, Rhode Island Posts: 740	mirrors? and I can`t buy and read that book in a day (in fact i already filmed part of it today) edit ooooh mirrors....actual ones. This is just a test video as it states twice on the page actually...its not the location its being filmed in ;) __________________ Cinematography Site

December 1st, 2007, 12:25 PM	#1198
Craig Parkes Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 444	Hi Devin, I really like the lightbox back lighting of the band. Despite only having a consumer handicam at your disposal your choice of lighting, and the good use of post production techniques the opening of your video makes it look really slick and professional, only the narrative bits inside the house give away that it wasn't shot on a higher quality format. Great work, and congrats on the win.

December 2nd, 2007, 06:14 PM	#1199
Carl Middleton Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fernandina Beach, FL Posts: 562	Urban Nature - Take a look around you! http://www.stage6.com/user/WhizkidMe...ure-All-Around I was filming random footage, trying out some new picture profiles and testing 50i->23.976p using Cineform, grading done with Magic Bullet. I was also experimenting with Magic Bullet Looks, as I hadn't tried it yet. I decided to make it into a faux demo reel/promo for a show that doesn't exist. :) Filmed with a Z1. Let me know what you guys think! Carl __________________ Carl Middleton Whizkid Mediaworks

December 2nd, 2007, 08:37 PM	#1200
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Your site will not work for me. __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen