New Music Video Shot With An Xl1

James Emory · March 20th, 2006, 08:19 PM

Corporate feel? I still don't get it. How is this video compared to a corporate video?

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Originally Posted by Jerry Porter

As far as "Trade" it would be my bank account numbers for a MTV execs.

What in the world are you talking about?! Hahaha. I just don't understand. Your bank account numbers?

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Originally Posted by Jerry Porter

Not picking a fight here. I like the video and that's it. It looked profesional to me.

Don't worry about that because you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I was just curious as to who and what you were referring to because you didn't specify and I still don't have a clue?

Jerry Porter · March 20th, 2006, 08:30 PM

OK you don't get it. "J taking the bait." It has nothing to do with corporate video. I felt it has that MTV (CORPORATE FEEL) it was a well done piece. (just my opinion) As far as trade bank accounts with a MTV corporate executive???? I would trade mine for most of theirs. (I would guess that most of them have more money than me) You either get this, are baiting me, or really are daft.

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Originally Posted by James Emory

Corporate feel? I still don't get it. How is this video compared to a corporate video?

What in the world are you talking about?! Hahaha. I just don't understand. Your bank account numbers?

Don't worry about that because you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I was just curious as to who and what you were referring to because you didn't specify and I still don't have a clue?

James Emory · March 20th, 2006, 08:44 PM

Okay, I'm going to take the word corporate out because it is totally irrelevant and now I totally get it! You were just not speaking clearly, spelling, punctuating (not making executive's possessive) or using correct articles (using a instead of an executive's) correctly. Those small things change the way it reads. The word for in for an executive's is what threw me. You meant as compared to an executive's account. We all said he did a good job, just not network level or quality. Now I meant what you know.

Vincent Rozenberg · March 21st, 2006, 07:52 AM

I now one video shot on DV and on air @ MTV: Fatboy Slim; Praise you, directed by Spike Jonze.. ;-) There certainly are more, but it slipped my mind.

James Emory · March 21st, 2006, 02:42 PM

Finally! Somebody made some effort. Was that on MTV in America?

Mark Bournes · March 21st, 2006, 02:54 PM

yes it was

Jay Kavi · March 21st, 2006, 06:57 PM

Praise you was on MTV just about every hour in 1999/2000. BTW Waheed, good stuff on your site, but i agree with Don, your reel should reflect more of the newer (better produced?) projects on your site. Maybe even shorten it down a bit.

Gregg Therieau · March 22nd, 2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by James Emory

Please tell me which main stream music videos have been shot completely on DV or even HDV and aired on MTV, VH1 and other than Uncut on BET.

James, I think you need to add this to your question: Which videos were shot on DV that didn't use DV as a particular "look"? For example, the "look" Spike Jonze used on Praise You was just that, a "look". If price being the only reason a video was shot on DV by a mainstream artist, I'm certain it could air on MTV. Waheed's video is pretty good and probably COULD air on MTV as long as the artist was signed by a major label and/or their music was getting national radio air play. Being shot on DV would not be a "deal breaker" for MTV.

Gregg Therieau
GTV Productions
www.gtvproductions.com

Waheed AlQawasmi · March 24th, 2006, 04:03 PM

WoW, what an extensive conversation going on here. I have been gone for the past couple of weeks working on my next music video and my next movie script, sorry I was just really busy.

I have done some research JAMES, and the video stated in the reply before,
Fatboy Slim; Praise you, directed by Spike Jonze was shot. I will come back with some more for you once I have more time, but the thing is that it is hard to believe that MTV would not play it because it was shot on DV, if it looks good then they play it. Not just talking about my video just any video, also this technology has been out for a while and I think in that period of time they have had to play some music video that was shot on DV.

ALSO

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Originally Posted by Gregg Therieau

James, If price being the only reason a video was shot on DV by a mainstream artist, I'm certain it could air on MTV. Waheed's video is pretty good and probably COULD air on MTV as long as the artist was signed by a major label and/or their music was getting national radio air play. Being shot on DV would not be a "deal breaker" for MTV.

Gregg Therieau
GTV Productions
www.gtvproductions.com

He just put what I was trying to say for you in a better way. If the artist is getting big then the video being shot on DV is not a "Deal Breaker"

As I said I will try to get back soon and give you more examples, but I am extremly busy and don't have much time to waste.

John Kang · March 24th, 2006, 09:43 PM

It looks great. The videos do look like video and not film. Perhaps it looks better uncompressed.

You've definately accomplished what you set out to do. As for me, being the MTV generation, I could see the clips on Mtv. The music wasn't bad, and it is playable.

However, I don't think it will play often. MTV and other networks play videos that are hits and no matter how well a singer does or how well a video is produced, they will not constantly air something no one will care for.

Your video will be a hit if it can bring interest into the singer or group or if the group has grown in popularity. You've got the group a foot into the industry if it's played, it's up to the singers to make the rest happen. Road shows.

Just look at Piddy (my own name for him), other wise known as P Daddy, P Diddy, etc...He had the show on MTV to create the next hot rap group. It didn't happen. They were a commercial failure, even with all that free advertising.

You're doing great, keep it up, its more than I could ever hope to accomplish.

P.S. HDV music videos by Nicholas Bartleet, a member here on DVinfo, you might want to take a look at. These music videos look great and shot with a FX-1 camcorder not the Z1U. Also, take a look at the short movie clip "The Riddle" which was shot with a Cannon XL camera. This looks really nice.

P.P.S. If the Presidents of The United States Of America can release a music video, all shot on camera phones, there is room for professionaly shot music videos on DV.

P.U.S.A, great performers, got to see them for their last show in Seattle. Of course, there back again? Musicians never retire, they just take a long sabbatical till they need money. :)

James Emory · March 25th, 2006, 09:30 AM

I totally agree with Gregg but didn't put it that way. I was very clear that DV is worthy for network TV because it's obviously used all the time. It could also be used to shoot music videos. So...... why isn't it heavily used to do just that? Why don't we see more of it. So far, only one example has been given. That's not a very good argument for using DV or for this discussion. The quality is there and it is certainly cheaper than film or high end HD. I would certainly like to see it used more then DV shooters would probably have more work. This is not just my opinion, it speaks for itself! Where is it on the mainstream music channels?

Eric Brown · March 25th, 2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by James Emory

I totally agree with Gregg but didn't put it that way. I was very clear that DV is worthy for network TV because it's obviously used all the time. It could also be used to shoot music videos. So...... why isn't it heavily used to do just that? Why don't we see more of it. So far, only one example has been given. That's not a very good argument for using DV or for this discussion. The quality is there and it is certainly cheaper than film or high end HD. I would certainly like to see it used more then DV shooters would probably have more work. This is not just my opinion, it speaks for itself! Where is it on the mainstream music channels?

Yes, I don't think there's too many examples out there. Not an overwhelming amount, anyway. Chris Cunningham shot 'Rubber Johnny' on a small Sony DV cam. But that is in no way mainstream as it is almost pornographic and the track is by Aphex Twin. (I actually really like the video) Those two things alone guarantee limited airplay. But I think if any MV director who was at the top of the foodchain shot a music video for a popular group or artist it would air in high rotation if it was shot on a Pixelvision camera. The thing is is a lot of MV directors are building stuff for their reel to get feature film work. They almost NEED to shoot in 35mm to be taken seriously by any major production studio. I'm not saying this is the main reason, but it is certainly one slice of the pie as to why you don't see more DV stuff.

Ash Greyson · March 26th, 2006, 06:42 PM

I have unique knowledge in this area as I use to work with MTV and shot/produce the first commercially available full length product shot exclusively on DV back in 1997. It was a longform video that still holds the record for most sales ever for the genre. Before 2000, MTV would not accept anything but film. I actually snuck a DV video thru on a live Hanson video by getting it processed by a VERY expensive film look lab. This is the same guy who developed the 24P process for DV cameras. Late in 2000, MTV began to soften up and there have been many videos shot on DV. Mostly kitchy and idea driven, not just a traditional TRL type videos shot on DV. The band Len who had the song "Steal My Sunshine" blew up so fast there was no time to shoot a video so their manage had them drive around town and shot them on a VX1000. MTV played that in HEAVY rotation an entire summer. The truth is that the format is not the problem, it is the politics. 99% of music videos that cost over $50K never are shown on ANY MTV station. Outside the US, the market is very different. I did a video in 2000 for $20 that was #1 for a month on MTV South America and MTV Europe.

ash =o)

Jeremy Hughes · March 27th, 2006, 08:55 AM

Hey Ash, I know this isnt the right forum... but would love to see (or get the title) to that vid. I'm sure its pretty sweet seeing your other work.

James Lundy · April 3rd, 2006, 03:11 PM

Luvley Jubbley!

Just goes to show that you can produce solid, high quality productions without needing to jump feet first into the next big thing.

Well done indeed.

BTW - Does Ty Brown have a web site by any chance. I really enjoyed the song, and would love to hear more.

March 24th, 2006, 09:43 PM	#40
John Kang Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 219	It looks great. The videos do look like video and not film. Perhaps it looks better uncompressed. You've definately accomplished what you set out to do. As for me, being the MTV generation, I could see the clips on Mtv. The music wasn't bad, and it is playable. However, I don't think it will play often. MTV and other networks play videos that are hits and no matter how well a singer does or how well a video is produced, they will not constantly air something no one will care for. Your video will be a hit if it can bring interest into the singer or group or if the group has grown in popularity. You've got the group a foot into the industry if it's played, it's up to the singers to make the rest happen. Road shows. Just look at Piddy (my own name for him), other wise known as P Daddy, P Diddy, etc...He had the show on MTV to create the next hot rap group. It didn't happen. They were a commercial failure, even with all that free advertising. You're doing great, keep it up, its more than I could ever hope to accomplish. P.S. HDV music videos by Nicholas Bartleet, a member here on DVinfo, you might want to take a look at. These music videos look great and shot with a FX-1 camcorder not the Z1U. Also, take a look at the short movie clip "The Riddle" which was shot with a Cannon XL camera. This looks really nice. P.P.S. If the Presidents of The United States Of America can release a music video, all shot on camera phones, there is room for professionaly shot music videos on DV. P.U.S.A, great performers, got to see them for their last show in Seattle. Of course, there back again? Musicians never retire, they just take a long sabbatical till they need money. :) Last edited by John Kang; March 25th, 2006 at 05:56 AM.

March 27th, 2006, 08:55 AM	#44
Jeremy Hughes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 276 Images: 2	Hey Ash, I know this isnt the right forum... but would love to see (or get the title) to that vid. I'm sure its pretty sweet seeing your other work. __________________ www.elevate-m.com filmvideostuff.blogspot.com

March 20th, 2006, 08:44 PM	#33
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Okay, I'm going to take the word corporate out because it is totally irrelevant and now I totally get it! You were just not speaking clearly, spelling, punctuating (not making executive's possessive) or using correct articles (using a instead of an executive's) correctly. Those small things change the way it reads. The word for in for an executive's is what threw me. You meant as compared to an executive's account. We all said he did a good job, just not network level or quality. Now I meant what you know.

March 21st, 2006, 07:52 AM	#34
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	I now one video shot on DV and on air @ MTV: Fatboy Slim; Praise you, directed by Spike Jonze.. ;-) There certainly are more, but it slipped my mind.

March 21st, 2006, 02:42 PM	#35
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Finally! Somebody made some effort. Was that on MTV in America?

March 21st, 2006, 02:54 PM	#36
Mark Bournes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 565	yes it was

March 21st, 2006, 06:57 PM	#37
Jay Kavi Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 243	Praise you was on MTV just about every hour in 1999/2000. BTW Waheed, good stuff on your site, but i agree with Don, your reel should reflect more of the newer (better produced?) projects on your site. Maybe even shorten it down a bit.

March 25th, 2006, 09:30 AM	#41
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	I totally agree with Gregg but didn't put it that way. I was very clear that DV is worthy for network TV because it's obviously used all the time. It could also be used to shoot music videos. So...... why isn't it heavily used to do just that? Why don't we see more of it. So far, only one example has been given. That's not a very good argument for using DV or for this discussion. The quality is there and it is certainly cheaper than film or high end HD. I would certainly like to see it used more then DV shooters would probably have more work. This is not just my opinion, it speaks for itself! Where is it on the mainstream music channels?

March 26th, 2006, 06:42 PM	#43
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	I have unique knowledge in this area as I use to work with MTV and shot/produce the first commercially available full length product shot exclusively on DV back in 1997. It was a longform video that still holds the record for most sales ever for the genre. Before 2000, MTV would not accept anything but film. I actually snuck a DV video thru on a live Hanson video by getting it processed by a VERY expensive film look lab. This is the same guy who developed the 24P process for DV cameras. Late in 2000, MTV began to soften up and there have been many videos shot on DV. Mostly kitchy and idea driven, not just a traditional TRL type videos shot on DV. The band Len who had the song "Steal My Sunshine" blew up so fast there was no time to shoot a video so their manage had them drive around town and shot them on a VX1000. MTV played that in HEAVY rotation an entire summer. The truth is that the format is not the problem, it is the politics. 99% of music videos that cost over $50K never are shown on ANY MTV station. Outside the US, the market is very different. I did a video in 2000 for $20 that was #1 for a month on MTV South America and MTV Europe. ash =o)

April 3rd, 2006, 03:11 PM	#45
James Lundy Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Lothian - Bonnie Scotland Posts: 51	Luvley Jubbley! Just goes to show that you can produce solid, high quality productions without needing to jump feet first into the next big thing. Well done indeed. BTW - Does Ty Brown have a web site by any chance. I really enjoyed the song, and would love to hear more.