Show Your Work 2003

Glen Elliott · July 7th, 2003, 12:22 PM

Yeah it's a GL-1 with a wide angle adapter. The regular show "Trading Spaces" (not the family edition) has host Paige Davis using a GL-1 as well. It's pretty corny though because when they show footage she shot they do an overlay that says "Paige Cam" and add the cheesy graphics to make it look like a home video camera...even including the "record" message and flashing red dot at the bottom of the screen.

*WHY do I know this, you may ask.....my gf forces me to watch the stupid show!*

Chris Hurd · July 7th, 2003, 01:49 PM

See previous discussions of this topic at:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=1896

and

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=6471

and

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=6026

Hope this helps,

Trent O Connor · July 9th, 2003, 07:44 AM

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone on here has any experience in trying to get a documentary on the tv?
Who and how would you approach companies for finance?
It seems like you have to get the broadcasters interested first but how do you go about it?
Send a treatment? A full script? With a docu' this is a little tricky.
I'd love to just film on dv, edit it together and then see what the boadcasters think - except that a big part of it has to be filmed in LA - im in Cambridge.
It wouldnt need many people to get involved and the filming in LA would take just a week.
Production companies have said theyd be interested in filming it - but ofcourse they would, i would too! but they're interested once they're paid...

How does sponsership of a show work? For instance, the docu is about Soul music. KFC have started a new ad campaign with 'Soul Food' a big part of the new sell. Anyone know how I could approach the likes of KFC to fund it, making it beneficial to them?

John Locke · July 10th, 2003, 09:18 AM

Having retrieved the mini disc from Fagan in Taipei, Lady X bolts straight for the Bosphorous Strait to find out whether all that glitters is gold.

Go to http://www.ladyxfilms.com and click the "Current Episode" link.

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================
Episode 06 Details:

Directed by: Emin Firat Övür
Produced by: Mahmut Övür
Written by: E. Firat Övür,The Kirayoglu Bros.
Production Assistant: Julide Övür
Edited by: Ozgur Keskin, Savas Dogan

Cast: Zulal Neyzi (Lady X); Alpkan Kirayoglu (Agent 1); Emir Ahmet Agsu (Agent 2); Alphan Kirayoglu (The Antiquary)

Crew: E. Firat Övür (everything)

Music: Composed and performed by E. Firat Övür-Ceyhun Nursen, Firat Polat

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 11:03 AM

27 episodes is aroun 3.15 hours which at full resolution will indeed
not fit on one DVD. We'd need at least two for that. And then
there is the matter of NTSC & PAL episodes... ehehehe. Getting
all the episodes in full resolution QuickTime on a DVD might be
possible (technically) though.

Nori Wentworth · July 11th, 2003, 11:11 AM

"What the Hell!"

I love that line.

Zac Stein · July 11th, 2003, 08:46 PM

Well, if you like, but don't hold me to it... well you can... but yeah

I could wip up a simple flash type interface on an interactive cd-rom and inbed the movies into it. Then put bio's and so on.

I could burn it with a toast iso, so it will autorun on a mac or pc.

We can see, sure would be cheaper, can just put little plastic slips and ship out like that...

Zac

Marco Leavitt · July 14th, 2003, 10:28 AM

Hi everyone,
I'm posting a small (real small) short that we're submitting to a festival and wouldn't mind getting some feedback on it. The file is an MP4, and is nearly 25 megs long. Love to hear what people think. The password is "smokers."

https://www1.ibackup.com/L/QMDL?U=ma...DSYXWSL3373718

K. Forman · July 14th, 2003, 11:00 AM

Interesting, but I'm not sure I get it. It was shot well, and the audio came out nice though.

Marco Leavitt · July 14th, 2003, 11:21 AM

Hmmm. The scene is actually an excerpt from a feature-length film called "Smokers" that we are still editing. We were planning to test the waters with a short, feeling that this scene was well enough self contained to stand alone. But if it feels incomplete or confusing, maybe this isn't such a good strategy. That was one of the reasons I wanted to get a reaction from people on these boards before sending the thing out to festivals -- to find out if this excerpt is able to stand alone.
Thanks.

Alex Knappenberger · July 14th, 2003, 11:58 AM

These are just some picky things I picked out that you can remember for in future projects you do, i'm just trying to criticise it as much as I can, so that you can make your stuff better, so don't take it the wrong way:

Let me start out by saying it looked very good, and the audio was good also.

Anyway:

1. Continuity, when the girl in the pink was coming out of the stall, and going to the sinks, that cut stuck out like a sore thumb.

2. This is perhaps too picky, but from what I know, the colors of clothing they had on weren't good choices, white isn't good for dark skin tones, and pink/red is just bad for DV, period...

3. When you edit, instead of cutting back and forth between them on every line they say, try overlapping the audio with a shot of the other person, you'll notice this used in most cuts in movies and TV.

4. IMO, I don't think it was self contained enough to stand alone, it does feel incomplete and confusing.

I'd be interesting in seeing the final movie though, also, i'd consider re-editing that to make it have better pacing (shorter) for the feature length.

Good work.

Glen Elliott · July 14th, 2003, 01:04 PM

I'm at work right now so I can't view it till later- what's the plot?

Marco Leavitt · July 14th, 2003, 01:34 PM

The clip is basically a dialog between two women in adjoining bathroom stalls, with one teasing the other about her experimentation with lesbianism during college. To me, the narrative has an arc, with a definitive conclusion, and that was why I had hoped it would stand alone. Still, as a writer, I’ve learned to neither take criticisms too personally, or disregard someone’s comments even when I don’t agree. There’s a reason people have the reaction that they do. The comment about the cut when Robin (the girl in pink) stands up and walks to the sink is interesting. This cut was the biggest point of contention during editing, with the director wanting to cut away sooner. Maybe she was right after all, and I was trying too hard to keep the titillation factor (the actress’ dress rides way up on her thighs when she stands up). You can also see that she still has the tampon in her hand, which is a continuity problem.

Kevin Burnfield · July 14th, 2003, 02:31 PM

I'm surprised I"m admitting I watched this show on Comedy Central but if nothing else I got to see that they shot it on XL1's.

You can see some of the secondary camera men from the shot being shown racing around with XL1s.

Uh... other then that I really don't know what I can say about the show...

Gary Busey. Some kid host of the show. They do stuff and it's shown on television.

I'm just jealous I didn't think of it first.

"Get insane actor. have him torture some kid on camera... shoot it... put it on TV."

Kevin Burnfield · July 14th, 2003, 03:24 PM

I watched through it briefly on my computer monitor but one thing that did strike me was that it's really bright in that bathroom, especially in the stalls.

I liked that when they came out even though the tiles were shiny you couldn't see the reflections of the set lights... but still it was very bright.

Is this the final? Are you going to do anything to it in Post?

If so, you could probably kick up the contrast a little bit and take care of it... then again, it's my first impression and sometimes filmmakers obsess about the strangest things.

;)

July 7th, 2003, 01:49 PM	#317
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	See previous discussions of this topic at: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=1896 and http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=6471 and http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=6026 Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 9th, 2003, 07:44 AM	#318
Trent O Connor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 94	Making a documentary Hi, I was wondering if anyone on here has any experience in trying to get a documentary on the tv? Who and how would you approach companies for finance? It seems like you have to get the broadcasters interested first but how do you go about it? Send a treatment? A full script? With a docu' this is a little tricky. I'd love to just film on dv, edit it together and then see what the boadcasters think - except that a big part of it has to be filmed in LA - im in Cambridge. It wouldnt need many people to get involved and the filming in LA would take just a week. Production companies have said theyd be interested in filming it - but ofcourse they would, i would too! but they're interested once they're paid... How does sponsership of a show work? For instance, the docu is about Soul music. KFC have started a new ad campaign with 'Soul Food' a big part of the new sell. Anyone know how I could approach the likes of KFC to fund it, making it beneficial to them?

July 10th, 2003, 09:18 AM	#319
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Lady X in Istanbul...Episode 06! Having retrieved the mini disc from Fagan in Taipei, Lady X bolts straight for the Bosphorous Strait to find out whether all that glitters is gold. Go to http://www.ladyxfilms.com and click the "Current Episode" link. The Lady X Crew ================ Episode 06 Details: Directed by: Emin Firat Övür Produced by: Mahmut Övür Written by: E. Firat Övür,The Kirayoglu Bros. Production Assistant: Julide Övür Edited by: Ozgur Keskin, Savas Dogan Cast: Zulal Neyzi (Lady X); Alpkan Kirayoglu (Agent 1); Emir Ahmet Agsu (Agent 2); Alphan Kirayoglu (The Antiquary) Crew: E. Firat Övür (everything) Music: Composed and performed by E. Firat Övür-Ceyhun Nursen, Firat Polat __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

July 11th, 2003, 11:03 AM	#320
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	27 episodes is aroun 3.15 hours which at full resolution will indeed not fit on one DVD. We'd need at least two for that. And then there is the matter of NTSC & PAL episodes... ehehehe. Getting all the episodes in full resolution QuickTime on a DVD might be possible (technically) though. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 14th, 2003, 10:28 AM	#323
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	movie posting Hi everyone, I'm posting a small (real small) short that we're submitting to a festival and wouldn't mind getting some feedback on it. The file is an MP4, and is nearly 25 megs long. Love to hear what people think. The password is "smokers." https://www1.ibackup.com/L/QMDL?U=ma...DSYXWSL3373718

July 7th, 2003, 12:22 PM	#316
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Yeah it's a GL-1 with a wide angle adapter. The regular show "Trading Spaces" (not the family edition) has host Paige Davis using a GL-1 as well. It's pretty corny though because when they show footage she shot they do an overlay that says "Paige Cam" and add the cheesy graphics to make it look like a home video camera...even including the "record" message and flashing red dot at the bottom of the screen. *WHY do I know this, you may ask.....my gf forces me to watch the stupid show!*

July 11th, 2003, 11:11 AM	#321
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	"What the Hell!" I love that line.

July 11th, 2003, 08:46 PM	#322
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	Well, if you like, but don't hold me to it... well you can... but yeah I could wip up a simple flash type interface on an interactive cd-rom and inbed the movies into it. Then put bio's and so on. I could burn it with a toast iso, so it will autorun on a mac or pc. We can see, sure would be cheaper, can just put little plastic slips and ship out like that... Zac

July 14th, 2003, 11:00 AM	#324
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Interesting, but I'm not sure I get it. It was shot well, and the audio came out nice though.

July 14th, 2003, 11:21 AM	#325
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Hmmm. The scene is actually an excerpt from a feature-length film called "Smokers" that we are still editing. We were planning to test the waters with a short, feeling that this scene was well enough self contained to stand alone. But if it feels incomplete or confusing, maybe this isn't such a good strategy. That was one of the reasons I wanted to get a reaction from people on these boards before sending the thing out to festivals -- to find out if this excerpt is able to stand alone. Thanks.

July 14th, 2003, 11:58 AM	#326
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	These are just some picky things I picked out that you can remember for in future projects you do, i'm just trying to criticise it as much as I can, so that you can make your stuff better, so don't take it the wrong way: Let me start out by saying it looked very good, and the audio was good also. Anyway: 1. Continuity, when the girl in the pink was coming out of the stall, and going to the sinks, that cut stuck out like a sore thumb. 2. This is perhaps too picky, but from what I know, the colors of clothing they had on weren't good choices, white isn't good for dark skin tones, and pink/red is just bad for DV, period... 3. When you edit, instead of cutting back and forth between them on every line they say, try overlapping the audio with a shot of the other person, you'll notice this used in most cuts in movies and TV. 4. IMO, I don't think it was self contained enough to stand alone, it does feel incomplete and confusing. I'd be interesting in seeing the final movie though, also, i'd consider re-editing that to make it have better pacing (shorter) for the feature length. Good work.

July 14th, 2003, 01:04 PM	#327
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I'm at work right now so I can't view it till later- what's the plot?

July 14th, 2003, 01:34 PM	#328
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	The clip is basically a dialog between two women in adjoining bathroom stalls, with one teasing the other about her experimentation with lesbianism during college. To me, the narrative has an arc, with a definitive conclusion, and that was why I had hoped it would stand alone. Still, as a writer, I’ve learned to neither take criticisms too personally, or disregard someone’s comments even when I don’t agree. There’s a reason people have the reaction that they do. The comment about the cut when Robin (the girl in pink) stands up and walks to the sink is interesting. This cut was the biggest point of contention during editing, with the director wanting to cut away sooner. Maybe she was right after all, and I was trying too hard to keep the titillation factor (the actress’ dress rides way up on her thighs when she stands up). You can also see that she still has the tampon in her hand, which is a continuity problem.

July 14th, 2003, 02:31 PM	#329
Kevin Burnfield Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 363	"I'm with Busey" shot on XL1S I'm surprised I"m admitting I watched this show on Comedy Central but if nothing else I got to see that they shot it on XL1's. You can see some of the secondary camera men from the shot being shown racing around with XL1s. Uh... other then that I really don't know what I can say about the show... Gary Busey. Some kid host of the show. They do stuff and it's shown on television. I'm just jealous I didn't think of it first. "Get insane actor. have him torture some kid on camera... shoot it... put it on TV."

July 14th, 2003, 03:24 PM	#330
Kevin Burnfield Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 363	I watched through it briefly on my computer monitor but one thing that did strike me was that it's really bright in that bathroom, especially in the stalls. I liked that when they came out even though the tiles were shiny you couldn't see the reflections of the set lights... but still it was very bright. Is this the final? Are you going to do anything to it in Post? If so, you could probably kick up the contrast a little bit and take care of it... then again, it's my first impression and sometimes filmmakers obsess about the strangest things. ;)