Show Your Work 2003

Rob Lohman · April 10th, 2003, 03:21 AM

I tend to agree with Kermie's remarks.... The editing could have
been a bit faster in my opinion as well. But overall it was really
nicely done!

Alex Taylor · April 10th, 2003, 10:13 PM

Dylan,
I shot it on a Canon ZR20.. not the best but I dealt with it! For lights, we had 3 construction lights -- a big one plus two little small ones and a few reflector boards.

Kermie,
Thanks for the suggestions, now that you mention it I guess I was doing that, it's good thing I noticed now before I made it a habit :P

Josh Bass · April 11th, 2003, 12:49 PM

I want to disagree with the comment that audiences are much smarter than you think. If that were true, Kangaroo Jack would never have been number one at the box office.

This will probably be deleted.

Keith Loh · April 11th, 2003, 01:55 PM

Interesting article in the LA Times about "Better Luck Tomorrow" and its grassroots campaign to get the seats filled. "Better Luck Tomorrow" is a film by Justin Lin about Asian American high school students who get involved in a murder. It's been covered in Film Comment magazine and received a spot of news when it was shown at a festival (Sundance?) and Roger Ebert shouted down someone who was protesting the film because it didn't show Asian Americans in a good light (like Italian Americans who protested the Godfather).

http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-fi-grassroots11apr11,0,2077568.story?coll=cl%2Dmovies

Interesting talking points:
- the use of email campaigns interests me because my company's technology allows player and plugin free video for Java-enabled email clients
- the "first weekend" campaigns for black and other ethnic groups encouraging those groups to get out in the first weekend to send a message to distributors that there is an audience. The first weekend, of course, is totally important. Without a big first weekend films are pulled.

Thoughts?

Dominik Chrzan · April 11th, 2003, 09:54 PM

Here’s a short trailer for our upcoming doco of travels in Australia’s tropical North Queensland. Enjoy!

www.drivenxdiscovery.com

We filmed the entire adventure using a canon zr30, and while admittedly not the best in low light situations, it is a hearty little cam; it didn’t even really complain too much after it’s brief and, I’m sure, exhilarating swim. = ) We are using Premiere 6.5 to do all of the editing.

We are hoping to gear this tale of misadventure towards a general adventure oriented audience, as well as having it be a useful resource for people who might be interested in doing this trip for themselves … that is, how NOT to do it. = )
It is, if anything, highly entertaining (or, should I say, will be when editing is completed sometime this June).

Granted this little clip isn’t very much to go on, but any comments are welcome.

Thanks for looking, mates.

Dom

drivenbydiscovery productions

Shane Duff · April 13th, 2003, 02:11 PM

Check out "Penetration Strain or Shocked" at our website www.american-ocean.com and let me know what you think... this is a short one man show and will only take 3 minutes of your time ;)

Carl Slawinski · April 14th, 2003, 08:37 AM

Wasn't visual enough for me, but that's just my opinion. You could have used a set of 3 stills and put down and audio track on top and it would have been the same. I would like to "see" more.

Nori Wentworth · April 14th, 2003, 12:14 PM

Very interesting...

The acting wasn't too bad.
I think it could of been framed a little better.

All in all it does get the point across very well.

-Nori

Nori Wentworth · April 14th, 2003, 12:18 PM

Man,
Now I really want to go to Australia. Some of those visuals are absolutely stunning!

-Nori

Dylan Couper · April 14th, 2003, 12:22 PM

Me too! That's gorgeous!
I also miss my 4x4. Some of that driving looked really fun!
Except for the rollover. :)

Shane Duff · April 14th, 2003, 06:41 PM

He did that all by himself btw =)

Nathan Gifford · April 15th, 2003, 10:56 AM

Very well done and done with a ZR30 too.

Kevin Burnfield · April 18th, 2003, 05:25 PM

James, I noticed that several shots seem to be out of sync... what methodology did you try to keep the different angles in sync with the song?

(shrug) I guess if she makes the kind of money Britney does and shuttles a little your way her emulating Britney isn't a bad thing. (G)

James Emory · April 19th, 2003, 12:46 PM

Well remember this is a screen test for a bigger production. It is mainly to see how she performs in front of the camera. What is displayed here is only the first 1.25 of the song. We shot the entire song about (almost 3 minutes) 15 times with different framing allowing a couple of minutes in between takes because of studio time. I believe part of what you are seeing is her being thoroughly worn out and using more energy to dance and occassionally slipping on the lyrics, but just a little. Overall, she did a great job. Also, compressed video isn't in perfect sync. What you saw is played at 20 fps. We shot close ups first so she would appear fresh. Then mediums and finally wides. The final, actual shoot will be shot in sections to balance the load.

The sync is maintained by shooting the entire song for each take and then finding the very first spike on the playback (set) audio and matching it with the studio mix. Once this is achieved after slipping it a frame or so, every take (track) is in sync and then each track is cut for its place in the song. This project is 13 tracks deep. This method makes it easy for cutting but wears out the performers. I have a time code slate for synced playback to be able to shoot in sections but nothing to feed the 29 fps code from a playback device yet. I know where to get what I need it's just not in the budget. I can't wait because it will be a whole lot easier on the performers and the cutter.

Victor Muh · April 19th, 2003, 07:03 PM

I've written an article about my experiences using the XL1 with the Mini 35 in making my short short film The Chinese Shoes (http://thechineseshoes.com) for Moviemaker Magazine (http://www.moviemaker.com/).

The magazine is already available.

Just thought I'd let y'all know.

April 10th, 2003, 03:21 AM	#166
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I tend to agree with Kermie's remarks.... The editing could have been a bit faster in my opinion as well. But overall it was really nicely done! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 10th, 2003, 10:13 PM	#167
Alex Taylor Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 390	Dylan, I shot it on a Canon ZR20.. not the best but I dealt with it! For lights, we had 3 construction lights -- a big one plus two little small ones and a few reflector boards. Kermie, Thanks for the suggestions, now that you mention it I guess I was doing that, it's good thing I noticed now before I made it a habit :P __________________ alextaylor.org

April 11th, 2003, 12:49 PM	#168
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I want to disagree with the comment that audiences are much smarter than you think. If that were true, Kangaroo Jack would never have been number one at the box office. This will probably be deleted. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 11th, 2003, 01:55 PM	#169
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Better Luck Tomorrow: grassroots marketing Interesting article in the LA Times about "Better Luck Tomorrow" and its grassroots campaign to get the seats filled. "Better Luck Tomorrow" is a film by Justin Lin about Asian American high school students who get involved in a murder. It's been covered in Film Comment magazine and received a spot of news when it was shown at a festival (Sundance?) and Roger Ebert shouted down someone who was protesting the film because it didn't show Asian Americans in a good light (like Italian Americans who protested the Godfather). http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-fi-grassroots11apr11,0,2077568.story?coll=cl%2Dmovies Interesting talking points: - the use of email campaigns interests me because my company's technology allows player and plugin free video for Java-enabled email clients - the "first weekend" campaigns for black and other ethnic groups encouraging those groups to get out in the first weekend to send a message to distributors that there is an audience. The first weekend, of course, is totally important. Without a big first weekend films are pulled. Thoughts? __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

April 11th, 2003, 09:54 PM	#170
Dominik Chrzan New Boot Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Hope, PA USA Posts: 11	Australia’s Cape York Peninsula Here’s a short trailer for our upcoming doco of travels in Australia’s tropical North Queensland. Enjoy! www.drivenxdiscovery.com We filmed the entire adventure using a canon zr30, and while admittedly not the best in low light situations, it is a hearty little cam; it didn’t even really complain too much after it’s brief and, I’m sure, exhilarating swim. = ) We are using Premiere 6.5 to do all of the editing. We are hoping to gear this tale of misadventure towards a general adventure oriented audience, as well as having it be a useful resource for people who might be interested in doing this trip for themselves … that is, how NOT to do it. = ) It is, if anything, highly entertaining (or, should I say, will be when editing is completed sometime this June). Granted this little clip isn’t very much to go on, but any comments are welcome. Thanks for looking, mates. Dom drivenbydiscovery productions

April 13th, 2003, 02:11 PM	#171
Shane Duff New Boot Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moreno Valley, CA Posts: 23	Another Short Check out "Penetration Strain or Shocked" at our website www.american-ocean.com and let me know what you think... this is a short one man show and will only take 3 minutes of your time ;)

April 14th, 2003, 08:37 AM	#172
Carl Slawinski Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mount Prospect, IL Posts: 67	Wasn't visual enough for me, but that's just my opinion. You could have used a set of 3 stills and put down and audio track on top and it would have been the same. I would like to "see" more.

April 14th, 2003, 12:14 PM	#173
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	Very interesting... The acting wasn't too bad. I think it could of been framed a little better. All in all it does get the point across very well. -Nori

April 14th, 2003, 12:18 PM	#174
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	Man, Now I really want to go to Australia. Some of those visuals are absolutely stunning! -Nori

April 14th, 2003, 12:22 PM	#175
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Me too! That's gorgeous! I also miss my 4x4. Some of that driving looked really fun! Except for the rollover. :) __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

April 14th, 2003, 06:41 PM	#176
Shane Duff New Boot Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moreno Valley, CA Posts: 23	He did that all by himself btw =)

April 15th, 2003, 10:56 AM	#177
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	Very well done and done with a ZR30 too. __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

April 18th, 2003, 05:25 PM	#178
Kevin Burnfield Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 363	James, I noticed that several shots seem to be out of sync... what methodology did you try to keep the different angles in sync with the song? (shrug) I guess if she makes the kind of money Britney does and shuttles a little your way her emulating Britney isn't a bad thing. (G)

April 19th, 2003, 12:46 PM	#179
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Sync Well remember this is a screen test for a bigger production. It is mainly to see how she performs in front of the camera. What is displayed here is only the first 1.25 of the song. We shot the entire song about (almost 3 minutes) 15 times with different framing allowing a couple of minutes in between takes because of studio time. I believe part of what you are seeing is her being thoroughly worn out and using more energy to dance and occassionally slipping on the lyrics, but just a little. Overall, she did a great job. Also, compressed video isn't in perfect sync. What you saw is played at 20 fps. We shot close ups first so she would appear fresh. Then mediums and finally wides. The final, actual shoot will be shot in sections to balance the load. The sync is maintained by shooting the entire song for each take and then finding the very first spike on the playback (set) audio and matching it with the studio mix. Once this is achieved after slipping it a frame or so, every take (track) is in sync and then each track is cut for its place in the song. This project is 13 tracks deep. This method makes it easy for cutting but wears out the performers. I have a time code slate for synced playback to be able to shoot in sections but nothing to feed the 29 fps code from a playback device yet. I know where to get what I need it's just not in the budget. I can't wait because it will be a whole lot easier on the performers and the cutter.

April 19th, 2003, 07:03 PM	#180
Victor Muh Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Paris, France Posts: 126	Check out my article in Moviemaker Magazine I've written an article about my experiences using the XL1 with the Mini 35 in making my short short film The Chinese Shoes (http://thechineseshoes.com) for Moviemaker Magazine (http://www.moviemaker.com/). The magazine is already available. Just thought I'd let y'all know. __________________ Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. - Albert Einstein http://advaloreminternational.com