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Brock Burwell · June 27th, 2016, 02:21 PM

Was asked to put this video together and while I know there are a lot of issues with it and I'm not happy with it thus far, I might as well get some feedback from you all. Unfortunately I can't film with the girl again so all the shots with her are stuck the way they are. There are a lot of shots where it's too sunny and it looks bad (especially the last shot). Some things look off, but any and all constructive criticism is welcome.

Mark Williams · June 27th, 2016, 04:15 PM

Looks good for what it is. The back lighted scene at 1:51 was a little objectionable. Maybe try to re-work levels on that clip or edit it out and replace with another shot using existing audio.

Brock Burwell · June 27th, 2016, 05:34 PM

Yea i definitely screwed up the audio before she shows up on camera there. I actually messed it up twice. I didn't get it right the first time and then had her come back and re-record it again in the same place, but it still doesn't sound the same. I'm not great with audio so I'm not exactly sure how to get them to match better, but I'll try to mess with it a bit.

In regards to the backlit scene, I knew the moment I started shooting that it was going to be a problem and I still did it anyway. Live and learn I guess.

Mike Watson · June 27th, 2016, 10:31 PM

I'm less a stickler for technical stuff (the backlit shot) and more a stickler for bumps in the feel-and-flow of the piece. When she was walking backwards, I wanted that to have a motivation. Also, she talks about 15% too fast the whole time.

It probably wouldn't be my demo reel piece, but when you set it up, I thought "this is gonna be a shit show", and it wasn't, it's a really decent piece. There are shots in here where you out-shoot me. Stuff I wouldn't have thought of. You're a good shooter and editor. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Jody Arnott · June 28th, 2016, 05:54 AM

Some really nice shots there, the piece has a nice feel.. good work :)

I think that although people like us will really see the issues with that backlit shot, most people wouldn't notice an issue with it. It's probably nothing you did wrong technically - the light is probably just too bright behind the subject.

Brock Burwell · June 28th, 2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Watson

I'm less a stickler for technical stuff (the backlit shot) and more a stickler for bumps in the feel-and-flow of the piece. When she was walking backwards, I wanted that to have a motivation. Also, she talks about 15% too fast the whole time.

It probably wouldn't be my demo reel piece, but when you set it up, I thought "this is gonna be a shit show", and it wasn't, it's a really decent piece. There are shots in here where you out-shoot me. Stuff I wouldn't have thought of. You're a good shooter and editor. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Yea she really did talk fast. I could have done a better job of trying to get her to talk more slowly. I mentioned it several times but it just didn't stick. Perhaps communicating it better would have helped.

Also, what do you mean by her walking backwards needed motivation? Does it seem "off" that she isn't walking toward the camera?

Mike Watson · June 28th, 2016, 01:30 PM

When I have non-pro talent who is talking too fast (or more rarely too slow), I will eventually just put down the camera and say "let's hear it", and walk them through it a few times. I'll read a few sentences how I want to hear it, and have them repeat it. When they start to get it, I heap on effusive praise. Then when I'm shooting, instead of saying go, I'll lead them in with the first line with a nice, slow steady pace... and then let them repeat the first line (ideally with the same pace).

I want walking backwards to have some motivation. Like she turns and reveals something, or some kind of move or something. I don't think I can articulate why I don't like it very well, but it was awkward to me.

Brock Burwell · June 28th, 2016, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Watson

When I have non-pro talent who is talking too fast (or more rarely too slow), I will eventually just put down the camera and say "let's hear it", and walk them through it a few times. I'll read a few sentences how I want to hear it, and have them repeat it. When they start to get it, I heap on effusive praise. Then when I'm shooting, instead of saying go, I'll lead them in with the first line with a nice, slow steady pace... and then let them repeat the first line (ideally with the same pace).

Love that advice. Great stuff

Steve Bleasdale · July 6th, 2016, 03:45 PM

Just my pounds worth, as she is talking then the great footage you have just put that over the talking as a I do in weddings so you hear her but yet then show the footage she is talking about, then now and again show her. Steve uk

June 27th, 2016, 02:21 PM	#1
Brock Burwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 385	Campus Tour Was asked to put this video together and while I know there are a lot of issues with it and I'm not happy with it thus far, I might as well get some feedback from you all. Unfortunately I can't film with the girl again so all the shots with her are stuck the way they are. There are a lot of shots where it's too sunny and it looks bad (especially the last shot). Some things look off, but any and all constructive criticism is welcome. UC Tour v1.1 - YouTube

June 27th, 2016, 04:15 PM	#2
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Re: Campus Tour Looks good for what it is. The back lighted scene at 1:51 was a little objectionable. Maybe try to re-work levels on that clip or edit it out and replace with another shot using existing audio. __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29

June 27th, 2016, 05:34 PM	#3
Brock Burwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 385	Re: Campus Tour Yea i definitely screwed up the audio before she shows up on camera there. I actually messed it up twice. I didn't get it right the first time and then had her come back and re-record it again in the same place, but it still doesn't sound the same. I'm not great with audio so I'm not exactly sure how to get them to match better, but I'll try to mess with it a bit. In regards to the backlit scene, I knew the moment I started shooting that it was going to be a problem and I still did it anyway. Live and learn I guess.

June 27th, 2016, 10:31 PM	#4
Mike Watson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,082	Re: Campus Tour I'm less a stickler for technical stuff (the backlit shot) and more a stickler for bumps in the feel-and-flow of the piece. When she was walking backwards, I wanted that to have a motivation. Also, she talks about 15% too fast the whole time. It probably wouldn't be my demo reel piece, but when you set it up, I thought "this is gonna be a shit show", and it wasn't, it's a really decent piece. There are shots in here where you out-shoot me. Stuff I wouldn't have thought of. You're a good shooter and editor. Don't be so hard on yourself.

June 28th, 2016, 05:54 AM	#5
Jody Arnott Major Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Hamilton, New Zealand Posts: 747	Re: Campus Tour Some really nice shots there, the piece has a nice feel.. good work :) I think that although people like us will really see the issues with that backlit shot, most people wouldn't notice an issue with it. It's probably nothing you did wrong technically - the light is probably just too bright behind the subject.

June 28th, 2016, 01:30 PM	#7
Mike Watson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,082	Re: Campus Tour When I have non-pro talent who is talking too fast (or more rarely too slow), I will eventually just put down the camera and say "let's hear it", and walk them through it a few times. I'll read a few sentences how I want to hear it, and have them repeat it. When they start to get it, I heap on effusive praise. Then when I'm shooting, instead of saying go, I'll lead them in with the first line with a nice, slow steady pace... and then let them repeat the first line (ideally with the same pace). I want walking backwards to have some motivation. Like she turns and reveals something, or some kind of move or something. I don't think I can articulate why I don't like it very well, but it was awkward to me.

July 6th, 2016, 03:45 PM	#9
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: Campus Tour Just my pounds worth, as she is talking then the great footage you have just put that over the talking as a I do in weddings so you hear her but yet then show the footage she is talking about, then now and again show her. Steve uk