WARNING: May Contain Nudity!

Dylan Couper · June 3rd, 2004, 10:24 PM

Moonlight Sonata really was my first choice for the music.
I like that version because I can get the rights to it for $50 instead of $5000. :)

The ending may get shorter. I'm going ot put it away for a few days and then look at it again on Monday.

Josh Allen · June 4th, 2004, 10:56 AM

Very nice. I love the black and white, and particularly like the shots of the house, field, etc. in the beginning. The "ghost" effect came out quite well.

Perhaps change the cuts in the intro to crossfades?

Good work!

J. Clayton Stansberry · June 4th, 2004, 03:02 PM

Dylan,

Nice Work! Being a musician, I respect the use of Moonlight Sonata, though I have never heard a version with string orchestra, although it may exist, I am a purest. Knowing the work, I thought some of the cuts in the beginning were sometimes early, sometimes late, and sometimes dead on. That said, it may be beneficial to experiment with crossfades as Josh suggested as I think that transition would lend better to the "smoothness" of the music. I have found that direct cuts work well in more "hard" music, but that may just be my taste. All in all though, I love the "ghosting" effect and the B/W looks great. Good Luck!

Clay

Rob Lohman · June 5th, 2004, 07:27 AM

I thought this is mixed bag (the new version). The titles might be
a bit too much and I think the ending is a bit too long as well.
I liked the empty shots of the house at the end, but I thought the
outside shots where too much.

Cutting to the music: it was really visible in the beginning. Probably
because it happened there a lot as well. I would probably tone
that down myself. I thought it really worked well with the first
showing of the house and the shot with the tree and the woman
and the shot following that.

Dylan Couper · June 6th, 2004, 10:22 AM

What's wrong with cutting to the music?

Rob Belics · June 6th, 2004, 03:07 PM

It's predictable to the point of distraction.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · June 6th, 2004, 07:18 PM

I don't think so. This new cut works pretty well for me! great job Dylan! The end could be shorter, but it is a really great job!

Rob Lohman · June 8th, 2004, 04:26 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Dylan Couper : What's wrong with cutting to the music? -->>>

Nothing in my opinion. It's just that I noticed it on many of the
places where it happened. I've expiremented with that myself
as well and never got it working good for my little movie I was
working on at the time. It seems to be a difficult thing to do
well (so that it doesn't distract).

As I said I thought it worked well in 3 locations.

Jeffery Patch · June 11th, 2004, 08:10 PM

I'm a terrible editor so I won't comment on any of the cuts. I will say that I enjoyed the video very much. I like the music, love the look of the leading lady, and the ghosting effect.

How do you do that? I assume it's pretty simple, place two layers of video over eachother and take the opacity down on the top layer? Of course shooting the same scene w/out moving the camera is required.

Thanks!

Michael Le · June 11th, 2004, 10:05 PM

I also found cutting to the music slightly distracting. I guess maybe because the music was soft and gentle but it was a fast cut. Maybe a slower transitiion?

Christian Hede Madsen · June 12th, 2004, 01:29 AM

Hi Dylan.

I liked the film with the new music and fonts, but re-edit it...It boring when the editing follows the exact beats for too long...

Regards..Chr

Anthony Meluso · June 15th, 2004, 12:27 PM

I have to say I liked it. Worthy of a festival. However, work on making the ending a little shorter and make the cuts to music a little less at the beginning.

I know it makes sense to sometimes do that with your work, however I think the best effect is to have your music go with action. It's tough, but when you pull it off it can be quite intriguing.

Was Trapacode Shine used for the text effects?

Dylan Couper · June 16th, 2004, 06:37 PM

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

It will be a few weeks or so before I get back to editing on it, but I'm going to take a fresher look at the music and where it lines up with the cuts. I'm by no means a master editor, so it might take some time.

Yes, the ghosty effect is just two layers from a locked down shot, the top layer has the girl in it, with a reduced opacity (around 80%).

I beleive the font I used for the text is called Brickhouse.

Thanks again all!

Rob Belics · June 16th, 2004, 07:16 PM

Notice all the positive comments you got before you changed it and all the negative comments you got after you changed it.

Don't go over editing this thing. It was top notch in the beginning. It'll be hard to beat "top notch".

Dylan Couper · June 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM

Rob, I had to change it from the first one because I didn't have (and wasn't going to get) the rights to that music.

June 3rd, 2004, 10:24 PM	#16
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Moonlight Sonata really was my first choice for the music. I like that version because I can get the rights to it for $50 instead of $5000. :) The ending may get shorter. I'm going ot put it away for a few days and then look at it again on Monday. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 4th, 2004, 03:02 PM	#18
J. Clayton Stansberry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 316	Dylan, Nice Work! Being a musician, I respect the use of Moonlight Sonata, though I have never heard a version with string orchestra, although it may exist, I am a purest. Knowing the work, I thought some of the cuts in the beginning were sometimes early, sometimes late, and sometimes dead on. That said, it may be beneficial to experiment with crossfades as Josh suggested as I think that transition would lend better to the "smoothness" of the music. I have found that direct cuts work well in more "hard" music, but that may just be my taste. All in all though, I love the "ghosting" effect and the B/W looks great. Good Luck! Clay __________________ I understand everything about nothing.

June 5th, 2004, 07:27 AM	#19
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I thought this is mixed bag (the new version). The titles might be a bit too much and I think the ending is a bit too long as well. I liked the empty shots of the house at the end, but I thought the outside shots where too much. Cutting to the music: it was really visible in the beginning. Probably because it happened there a lot as well. I would probably tone that down myself. I thought it really worked well with the first showing of the house and the shot with the tree and the woman and the shot following that. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 6th, 2004, 10:22 AM	#20
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	What's wrong with cutting to the music? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 6th, 2004, 07:18 PM	#22
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	I don't think so. This new cut works pretty well for me! great job Dylan! The end could be shorter, but it is a really great job! __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

June 4th, 2004, 10:56 AM	#17
Josh Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Wildomar, CA Posts: 89	Very nice. I love the black and white, and particularly like the shots of the house, field, etc. in the beginning. The "ghost" effect came out quite well. Perhaps change the cuts in the intro to crossfades? Good work!

June 6th, 2004, 03:07 PM	#21
Rob Belics Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 581	It's predictable to the point of distraction.

June 8th, 2004, 04:26 AM	#23
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	<<<-- Originally posted by Dylan Couper : What's wrong with cutting to the music? -->>> Nothing in my opinion. It's just that I noticed it on many of the places where it happened. I've expiremented with that myself as well and never got it working good for my little movie I was working on at the time. It seems to be a difficult thing to do well (so that it doesn't distract). As I said I thought it worked well in 3 locations. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 11th, 2004, 08:10 PM	#24
Jeffery Patch Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Long Beach, Ca Posts: 41	I'm a terrible editor so I won't comment on any of the cuts. I will say that I enjoyed the video very much. I like the music, love the look of the leading lady, and the ghosting effect. How do you do that? I assume it's pretty simple, place two layers of video over eachother and take the opacity down on the top layer? Of course shooting the same scene w/out moving the camera is required. Thanks! __________________ -Jeffery Patch www.jeffpatch.com www.pbase.com/jeffpatch www.xedgehosting.com

June 11th, 2004, 10:05 PM	#25
Michael Le New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 22	I also found cutting to the music slightly distracting. I guess maybe because the music was soft and gentle but it was a fast cut. Maybe a slower transitiion?

June 12th, 2004, 01:29 AM	#26
Christian Hede Madsen Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gudhjem Denmark Posts: 93	Hi Dylan. I liked the film with the new music and fonts, but re-edit it...It boring when the editing follows the exact beats for too long... Regards..Chr

June 15th, 2004, 12:27 PM	#27
Anthony Meluso Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 53	I have to say I liked it. Worthy of a festival. However, work on making the ending a little shorter and make the cuts to music a little less at the beginning. I know it makes sense to sometimes do that with your work, however I think the best effect is to have your music go with action. It's tough, but when you pull it off it can be quite intriguing. Was Trapacode Shine used for the text effects?

June 16th, 2004, 06:37 PM	#28
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Thanks for the feedback everyone! It will be a few weeks or so before I get back to editing on it, but I'm going to take a fresher look at the music and where it lines up with the cuts. I'm by no means a master editor, so it might take some time. Yes, the ghosty effect is just two layers from a locked down shot, the top layer has the girl in it, with a reduced opacity (around 80%). I beleive the font I used for the text is called Brickhouse. Thanks again all! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 16th, 2004, 07:16 PM	#29
Rob Belics Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 581	Notice all the positive comments you got before you changed it and all the negative comments you got after you changed it. Don't go over editing this thing. It was top notch in the beginning. It'll be hard to beat "top notch".

June 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM	#30
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Rob, I had to change it from the first one because I didn't have (and wasn't going to get) the rights to that music. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com