1st Time with my 1st camera & editing at DVinfo.net

Juan Todoli · May 23rd, 2009, 09:00 AM

Well, starting this long term learning highway in film video and edit, this is what happen next day after purchase my humble JVC GY HD110. Decided to have a fun morning & shoot my mtb club in a lovely place in mountains near here.

All shoot in 720p/25 1/50 shooter full manual.

First time in my life I carry a camera, edit with FC Express & expose in internet.

Don't be bad guys! Was only my first contact with video world.

Asalto Al Benicadell on Vimeo

Greetings.

Chris Swanberg · May 24th, 2009, 11:29 PM

Nicely shot. I enjoyed it. There was a lot of repetition in the scenes, maybe a little more of a mix of vantage points would help, but overall, as for your filming and basic editing, it's a winner. Nice job, and welcome to the site.

Chris Swanberg

Juan Todoli · May 25th, 2009, 12:41 AM

I know Chris, was everything improvised, take the camera & shoot.

Thanks, I'm very well here. That's a great forum with a better people.

Cheers!

Ryan Mueller · May 26th, 2009, 09:51 PM

That is quite impressive shooting being that it was the first time that you ever picked up a camera! The framing of your shots is spot on. The editing is decent. If I might just give you a couple of suggestion on your editing though? Every single shot was separated by a cross fade which is the tail-tell sign of a novice editor. I would have liked to have seen more hard cuts matched to the music. Speaking of music, try to mix it up a little bit. Music sets the mood of the piece and 8 minutes of the same song makes the video kind of drag on.

Please keep in mind that this is just meant to be constructive criticism. You did an incredible job for your first time with video and you did it right by shooting full manual;) Again, impressive for a first timer! Keep up the good work Juan.

Juan Todoli · May 27th, 2009, 12:46 AM

Thank you on your advices Ryan.

Yes, have notice me (veterans) that signal of novice about music & effects repetition.

Thanks again! I'll try to improve!

Juan.

Andrew Reyna · June 13th, 2009, 06:59 PM

way better than most people's first experiences.

Heath Vinyard · June 17th, 2009, 08:35 AM

Awesome job for your first time out. If you'd have not said it was your first time, I wouldn't have known. Looked like you'd be doing it for a bit already.

I do agree about the crossfades and maybe tightening up the pacing a little bit, as well as trying different vantage points while shooting. Also, think about overcranking for the slowmo stuff so it's a bit smoother.

Overall, very nice work.

Juan Todoli · June 17th, 2009, 08:47 AM

Hey thanks a lot! That's make me push to improve.

Just seeking for my "style" getting hours and hours of tests with the cam image menu process. Prooving fps, shutters, pans, etc. And keeping myself avoiding zoom as much as possible.

I'll keep you update of my little film disasters.

Cheers.

Les Wilson · June 17th, 2009, 10:57 AM

I know it was just a camera test outing. Others have addressed the merits of your shooting.

Some constructive criticism to get you moving along to improving your skills:
Exposure was rough in some places. Framing affects what you are able to expose well with video. So a shot may be cool in your imagination but not so cool due to lighting issues.

The edit lacks story telling. What happened to the 3rd rider? He disappeared and then reappeared at the end. Every story has a beginning, middle and end. Your edit doesn't. it has lots of middle and a little end. Your shooting can help the edit with material for some kind of story. Adapt on scene as you shoot a story that evolves but bring a story home. Editing will make the story stand out. The story you seemed have brought home could have been told in less than 2 minutes.

Your subject was ALWAYS the rider action. I was interested in some of the flowers and vistas. Some shots that featured them and had the bikers as secondary would have been nice. So, next time, think about telling a story and you'll find you have more things to shoot!

Juan Todoli · June 17th, 2009, 02:18 PM

Hey Les, be rude with this newbie if necesary, don't worry!

Taking note with all your advices, very much apreciated.

About the white dress rider, got a unfortunated crash just coming out the third curve. (Was well fortunately, but not his Santa Cruz Chameleon).

Thank's everyone for commenting some about this poor light film. Resting looong black lines (tapes still) studing, to experiment, improving & well perfoming. Hope to learn with all you and if in my hand is, help if I'm able.

Cheers!

Juan Todoli · June 20th, 2009, 11:34 PM

Well, I've tried to get somthing more elaborate regarding to start to use some effects & typing.

Hope don't displease you.

1st Benicadell Assault (Intro) on Vimeo

Cheers.

Juan Todoli · June 25th, 2009, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Wilson

What happened to the 3rd rider? He disappeared and then reappeared at the end.

In the Part #03: The Bloops & End

Almost recorded the sound of the crash.

And here's been is my 1st "Trilogy"

#01 Intro: http://vimeo.com/5250886

#02 Story, The Downhill: http://vimeo.com/4443136

#03 The Bloops & End: http://vimeo.com/5303423

(I knooooow, booooooooooooring).

Now, ok, just forgot my mtb dudes & start to learn seriously the audiovisual language (beautiful language). But was a funny day anyway!

Next to buy is a Lowel Kit DV to learn manage the light.

Thanks about your advices guys.

Juan.

May 23rd, 2009, 09:00 AM	#1
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	1st Time with my 1st camera & editing Well, starting this long term learning highway in film video and edit, this is what happen next day after purchase my humble JVC GY HD110. Decided to have a fun morning & shoot my mtb club in a lovely place in mountains near here. All shoot in 720p/25 1/50 shooter full manual. First time in my life I carry a camera, edit with FC Express & expose in internet. Don't be bad guys! Was only my first contact with video world. Asalto Al Benicadell on Vimeo Greetings.

June 17th, 2009, 08:35 AM	#7
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	Awesome job for your first time out. If you'd have not said it was your first time, I wouldn't have known. Looked like you'd be doing it for a bit already. I do agree about the crossfades and maybe tightening up the pacing a little bit, as well as trying different vantage points while shooting. Also, think about overcranking for the slowmo stuff so it's a bit smoother. Overall, very nice work. __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

May 24th, 2009, 11:29 PM	#2
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	Nicely shot. I enjoyed it. There was a lot of repetition in the scenes, maybe a little more of a mix of vantage points would help, but overall, as for your filming and basic editing, it's a winner. Nice job, and welcome to the site. Chris Swanberg

May 25th, 2009, 12:41 AM	#3
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	I know Chris, was everything improvised, take the camera & shoot. Thanks, I'm very well here. That's a great forum with a better people. Cheers!

May 26th, 2009, 09:51 PM	#4
Ryan Mueller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO Posts: 336	That is quite impressive shooting being that it was the first time that you ever picked up a camera! The framing of your shots is spot on. The editing is decent. If I might just give you a couple of suggestion on your editing though? Every single shot was separated by a cross fade which is the tail-tell sign of a novice editor. I would have liked to have seen more hard cuts matched to the music. Speaking of music, try to mix it up a little bit. Music sets the mood of the piece and 8 minutes of the same song makes the video kind of drag on. Please keep in mind that this is just meant to be constructive criticism. You did an incredible job for your first time with video and you did it right by shooting full manual;) Again, impressive for a first timer! Keep up the good work Juan.

May 27th, 2009, 12:46 AM	#5
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	Thank you on your advices Ryan. Yes, have notice me (veterans) that signal of novice about music & effects repetition. Thanks again! I'll try to improve! Juan.

June 13th, 2009, 06:59 PM	#6
Andrew Reyna Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Allen, TX Posts: 34	way better than most people's first experiences.

June 17th, 2009, 08:47 AM	#8
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	Hey thanks a lot! That's make me push to improve. Just seeking for my "style" getting hours and hours of tests with the cam image menu process. Prooving fps, shutters, pans, etc. And keeping myself avoiding zoom as much as possible. I'll keep you update of my little film disasters. Cheers.

June 17th, 2009, 10:57 AM	#9
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	I know it was just a camera test outing. Others have addressed the merits of your shooting. Some constructive criticism to get you moving along to improving your skills: Exposure was rough in some places. Framing affects what you are able to expose well with video. So a shot may be cool in your imagination but not so cool due to lighting issues. The edit lacks story telling. What happened to the 3rd rider? He disappeared and then reappeared at the end. Every story has a beginning, middle and end. Your edit doesn't. it has lots of middle and a little end. Your shooting can help the edit with material for some kind of story. Adapt on scene as you shoot a story that evolves but bring a story home. Editing will make the story stand out. The story you seemed have brought home could have been told in less than 2 minutes. Your subject was ALWAYS the rider action. I was interested in some of the flowers and vistas. Some shots that featured them and had the bikers as secondary would have been nice. So, next time, think about telling a story and you'll find you have more things to shoot!

June 17th, 2009, 02:18 PM	#10
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	Hey Les, be rude with this newbie if necesary, don't worry! Taking note with all your advices, very much apreciated. About the white dress rider, got a unfortunated crash just coming out the third curve. (Was well fortunately, but not his Santa Cruz Chameleon). Thank's everyone for commenting some about this poor light film. Resting looong black lines (tapes still) studing, to experiment, improving & well perfoming. Hope to learn with all you and if in my hand is, help if I'm able. Cheers!

June 20th, 2009, 11:34 PM	#11
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	Well, I've tried to get somthing more elaborate regarding to start to use some effects & typing. Hope don't displease you. 1st Benicadell Assault (Intro) on Vimeo Cheers.