Another new one. at DVinfo.net

Bryan Mitchell · February 8th, 2004, 11:36 PM

Made this tonight.
http://film.omnibuilt.com/axe.html

If you wan't to see the collection of my stuff for whatever reason, just go to http://film.omnibuilt.com/

Thank you to everyone that gave me feedback on my Be Afraid Trailer.

Rob Lohman · February 9th, 2004, 05:07 AM

First, the download link on that page is for your previous trailer,
not this one.

I liked the trailer, had a nice feel to it. I did find it a bit too slow
for the subject though. The blood seemed a bit unreal in certain
shots and the final axe shot had too long a "pause" in it before
we got "slashed" so to speak. Looked great though!

Dylan Couper · February 9th, 2004, 11:57 AM

Brian, I like most of your stuff, good editing. However, much of it suffers from being too dark - the curse of internet video.

Bryan Mitchell · February 9th, 2004, 02:36 PM

I should probably get a pro monitor. Do you think If I color and brightness corrected to that, everyone would see it better? My monitor sees all of it perfect but apparently its too dark for alot of people. :(

Any suggestions?

Tom Kronberg · February 9th, 2004, 05:36 PM

About the pace, I liked the style and choice to go b&w, as indoor shooting can be tricky without good lighting.
I would have liked to have seen the blood earlier on and maybe not be able to recognize what it was till later, but that's just my opinion. Good feel to it, keep it up.

Adam Burtle · February 9th, 2004, 06:06 PM

bryan, i dropped you an email early this morning to your cox address, fyi.

I agre with what tom said, maybe seeing the blood earlier, but not knowing what it was would be an interesting try..

Dylan Couper · February 9th, 2004, 09:11 PM

FWIW, I got the blood instantly. Didn't have a problem with it.

Also, maybe your monitor is turned up too bright, so it looks alright to you, but is too dark to everyone else?
Just a thought.

Evan Kubota · February 9th, 2004, 11:43 PM

Looks pretty good to me.

Rob Lohman · February 10th, 2004, 05:25 AM

Bit (too) dark here as well.

Bryan Mitchell · February 10th, 2004, 09:04 AM

:-/ Do you think If I edited to a pro monitor (with the color standards and what not) That everyone would see it alot better?

Rob Lohman · February 10th, 2004, 09:31 AM

That depends on how far off your system is... no way to tell
unless you do so.

Bryan Mitchell · February 13th, 2004, 02:18 AM

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean, that mabye my system isn't off, and the dark systems are, so editing on a pro monitor wouldn't help?

Rob Lohman · February 13th, 2004, 06:01 AM

I meant my reply to the line "that everyone would see it alot better".

That depends on how far your system is off. If your system is
way of spec to ours (assuming ours are doing a pretty good
color reproduction, we could also be the problem, ofcourse)
then getting a decent monitor might fix that. If this is not the
case perhaps you just like darker footage more or are watching
it in a dark room or something.

You aren't on the Mac by any chance? Because the Mac and PC
have a different monitor brightness (or something like that).

Dylan Couper · February 14th, 2004, 06:45 PM

ANyone have a good standard way to calibrate your monitor settings? I threw mine way off to be able to see Brians videos, now I'm not sure whether it is too dark or too light.

Peter Wiley · February 15th, 2004, 06:19 AM

Another thing to consider is that most codecs used to compress for the internet will make images darker -- some more than others.

Depending on the source footage the difference can be quite a lot. Another variable to worry about.

I am not quite sure, but I think if you are shooting color and then removing the color information for black and white and then removing more information for compression that process could be part of the issue.

Key is to experiment.

February 8th, 2004, 11:36 PM	#1
Bryan Mitchell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 316	Another new one. Made this tonight. http://film.omnibuilt.com/axe.html If you wan't to see the collection of my stuff for whatever reason, just go to http://film.omnibuilt.com/ Thank you to everyone that gave me feedback on my Be Afraid Trailer.

February 9th, 2004, 05:07 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	First, the download link on that page is for your previous trailer, not this one. I liked the trailer, had a nice feel to it. I did find it a bit too slow for the subject though. The blood seemed a bit unreal in certain shots and the final axe shot had too long a "pause" in it before we got "slashed" so to speak. Looked great though! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 9th, 2004, 11:57 AM	#3
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Brian, I like most of your stuff, good editing. However, much of it suffers from being too dark - the curse of internet video. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

February 9th, 2004, 09:11 PM	#7
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	FWIW, I got the blood instantly. Didn't have a problem with it. Also, maybe your monitor is turned up too bright, so it looks alright to you, but is too dark to everyone else? Just a thought. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

February 10th, 2004, 05:25 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Bit (too) dark here as well. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 9th, 2004, 02:36 PM	#4
Bryan Mitchell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 316	I should probably get a pro monitor. Do you think If I color and brightness corrected to that, everyone would see it better? My monitor sees all of it perfect but apparently its too dark for alot of people. :( Any suggestions?

February 9th, 2004, 05:36 PM	#5
Tom Kronberg Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 25	About the pace, I liked the style and choice to go b&w, as indoor shooting can be tricky without good lighting. I would have liked to have seen the blood earlier on and maybe not be able to recognize what it was till later, but that's just my opinion. Good feel to it, keep it up.

February 9th, 2004, 06:06 PM	#6
Adam Burtle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 173	bryan, i dropped you an email early this morning to your cox address, fyi. I agre with what tom said, maybe seeing the blood earlier, but not knowing what it was would be an interesting try..

February 9th, 2004, 11:43 PM	#8
Evan Kubota Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 47	Looks pretty good to me.

February 10th, 2004, 09:04 AM	#10
Bryan Mitchell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 316	:-/ Do you think If I edited to a pro monitor (with the color standards and what not) That everyone would see it alot better?

February 10th, 2004, 09:31 AM	#11
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That depends on how far off your system is... no way to tell unless you do so. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 13th, 2004, 02:18 AM	#12
Bryan Mitchell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 316	I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean, that mabye my system isn't off, and the dark systems are, so editing on a pro monitor wouldn't help?

February 13th, 2004, 06:01 AM	#13
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I meant my reply to the line "that everyone would see it alot better". That depends on how far your system is off. If your system is way of spec to ours (assuming ours are doing a pretty good color reproduction, we could also be the problem, ofcourse) then getting a decent monitor might fix that. If this is not the case perhaps you just like darker footage more or are watching it in a dark room or something. You aren't on the Mac by any chance? Because the Mac and PC have a different monitor brightness (or something like that). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2004, 06:45 PM	#14
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	ANyone have a good standard way to calibrate your monitor settings? I threw mine way off to be able to see Brians videos, now I'm not sure whether it is too dark or too light. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

February 15th, 2004, 06:19 AM	#15
Peter Wiley Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lewisburg PA Posts: 752	Compression Another thing to consider is that most codecs used to compress for the internet will make images darker -- some more than others. Depending on the source footage the difference can be quite a lot. Another variable to worry about. I am not quite sure, but I think if you are shooting color and then removing the color information for black and white and then removing more information for compression that process could be part of the issue. Key is to experiment.