Lanc Controller for the Canon XH A1

Toenis Liivamaegi · January 26th, 2007, 02:33 AM

James, does the bebob DVXL support Push AF on Canon XL A1?
What other LANC controllers support PAF on A1?

Thanks in advance,
T

Ben Lynn · January 26th, 2007, 06:59 AM

The Manfrotto 521 will work just as well as any of the more expensive controllers and will mount to a spiderbrace. The Bebob is a very polished unit and has great control. I like the Bebobs mounting system more than the Manfrotto, but as far as rocker control is concerned they both work the same. You could save a lot of money going with the 521 and get the same results from the rocker.

Ben

Piotr Wozniacki · January 29th, 2007, 07:11 AM

There's been a lot of confusion on the compatibility of the newer Manfrotto lanc models (like the 522 or 523, and 523Pro) with all the A1 functions (PAF for instance). Can anybody confirm which does work with the A1, and which one doesn't?

And if not a Manfrotto, perhaps this Varizoom Rock will work:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

Again, the compatibility list at www.BHPhotovideo.com doesn't mention the A1, but indicates some limitations to important functions with other Canon models...

TIA.

Frederic Gittler · February 4th, 2007, 11:34 AM

From my experience using the Manfrotto 523PRO with the Canon XH-A1: all controls appear to be functional, except the "Push AF" button which apparently does nothing.

It is worth mentioning that the manual focus controls can be used in both manual focus and autofocus modes -with the same behaviour as turning the focusing ring-. The On/Off button seems to put the XH-A1 in a "locked" state (exposure lock settings are retained).

Piotr Wozniacki · February 4th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Frederic, did you try the Push Auto Focus when the camera was in manual, or auto focus mode? It should be switched to manual for the button to function!

Brent Kolitz · February 4th, 2007, 08:24 PM

Does anyone have any experience with the Bogen 521PRO? I very recently picked one up for my Sony V1U, and I have two problems with it:

1. Several times the controller has shut down the camera within a few seconds of having manually turned the camera on.

2. Several times the controller has shut down the camera *while recording*

3. The last thing has to do with build quality: all of the controller's switches besides the rocker are of the membrane type. On my particular controller, one of the membrane switches feels and sounds OK, but the other ones both feel and sound horrible. Basically, it seems that when you press them, the entire plastic membrane cover is sticking somewhere, so the feel is mushy, and each press is followed by a slightly delayed plasticky unsticking click that's clearly picked up by the camera's mic.

I'm trying to figure out whether mine is defective or just somehow incompatible with the V1. Also, I'd like to know whether these membrane switches are typical for the Bogens or whether mine is a reject.

Frederic Gittler · February 5th, 2007, 03:07 PM

Piotr,

I do confirm that the Push AF button of the Manfrotto 523PRO seems to operate nothing on the Canon XH-A1 in both AF and manual focus modes. Nothing special here; this is a common limitation of the 523PRO with many camcorders.

Piotr Wozniacki · February 5th, 2007, 03:21 PM

Thanks Frederic,
I've talked to a Manfrotto engineer (actually employed and working here in Poland) and he told me a brand new controller (similar in form and functions to the MN523Pro) is being prepared especially for the XH series. He said the Canon's implementation of LANC protocol has always been problematic, but the new controller will be able to do with an XH exactly what the 523Pro can now with Sony. For focus or PAF to operate, the camcorder must be put into manual focus mode before connecting the controller.

James Harring · February 5th, 2007, 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=Toenis Liivamaegi]James, does the bebob DVXL support Push AF on Canon XL A1?
What other LANC controllers support PAF on A1?

Canon A1, I cannot say, it DOES work on Sony's A1u. Go to their website, I recall it answered my particular questions. The zoom feel is outstanding. I can creep zoom to next Sunday with it. Also, it supports all the cameras I would likely buy, so if I upgrade, it's one less thing to have to upgrade.

Piotr Wozniacki · February 5th, 2007, 10:28 PM

Unfortunately, the pdf manual for bebob zoe -dvxl clearly states that the PAF and switching from auto to manual focus is available only to Sony and Canon XM2 cameras - still no go for the A1!

Frederic Gittler · February 9th, 2007, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

... For focus or PAF to operate, the camcorder must be put into manual focus mode before connecting the controller.

Piotr,

My experience with the Manfrotto 523PRO connected to the Canon XH-A1 is quite different and very consistent: I never got anything to happen when pressing Push AF on the 523PRO. I have tried what you describe, as well as a few other combinations. Did you ever get the Push AF button of this controller to work on this camera?

On the other hand, manual focus controls always work, with one caveat: in autofocus mode, the camera regains control as soon as you stop pressing a focus button. This is very consistent with the behaviour of the camera when using the focusing ring.

Mark Woollard · February 13th, 2007, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent Kolitz

Does anyone have any experience with the Bogen 521PRO? I very recently picked one up for my Sony V1U, and I have two problems with it:

1. Several times the controller has shut down the camera within a few seconds of having manually turned the camera on.

2. Several times the controller has shut down the camera *while recording*

3. The last thing has to do with build quality: all of the controller's switches besides the rocker are of the membrane type. On my particular controller, one of the membrane switches feels and sounds OK, but the other ones both feel and sound horrible. Basically, it seems that when you press them, the entire plastic membrane cover is sticking somewhere, so the feel is mushy, and each press is followed by a slightly delayed plasticky unsticking click that's clearly picked up by the camera's mic.

I'm trying to figure out whether mine is defective or just somehow incompatible with the V1. Also, I'd like to know whether these membrane switches are typical for the Bogens or whether mine is a reject.

I've had the 521PRO for about two weeks. With my Z1U, it's worked flawlessly. Can't speak about your on/off problems with the V1U but sticky buttons sounds like a defective unit.

Dave Halliday · February 13th, 2007, 10:26 AM

Does the 521 have "ramped" zoom speeds or only the 521 PRO? Is the only difference between the two the ability to set a maximum zoom speed and the addition of the "Push Auto Focus" button (which doesn't work on the Canon A1)?

Mark Woollard · February 13th, 2007, 10:46 AM

I have not used the 521 but as you suggest, the PRO version adds push-auto focus and the ability to set the maximum zoom speed. But to clarify this latter function, there are two choices. First, you can select to have the zoom speed progressively increase up to the maximum you've chosen. Second you can select to zoom at a constant or "fixed" speed, regardless of how much you deflect the zoom lever. Switching between F (fixed) and P (progressive) is a simple press of the one button which toggles the setting back and forth. An LED shows which one you've selected. I find that feature very handy. Of course the primary reason I went for the PRO is for the push-auto focus, which works with the Sony Z1. Without that one feature, I probably would have gotten the "plain" 521 and saved a few bucks.

Graham Bernard · February 13th, 2007, 11:22 AM

I attended a show last year and had time with the Canon engineer and where we employed the 521Pro. The Push Focus didn't work. This is a real pity as it works well on my XM2s and would be THE reason to have it working on a SpiderBrace mounted A1.

Hmmm...

January 26th, 2007, 02:33 AM	#16
Toenis Liivamaegi Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 579	LANC controllers with Push AF for Canon XH A1? James, does the bebob DVXL support Push AF on Canon XL A1? What other LANC controllers support PAF on A1? Thanks in advance, T

January 29th, 2007, 07:11 AM	#18
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	There's been a lot of confusion on the compatibility of the newer Manfrotto lanc models (like the 522 or 523, and 523Pro) with all the A1 functions (PAF for instance). Can anybody confirm which does work with the A1, and which one doesn't? And if not a Manfrotto, perhaps this Varizoom Rock will work: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation Again, the compatibility list at www.BHPhotovideo.com doesn't mention the A1, but indicates some limitations to important functions with other Canon models... TIA. Last edited by Piotr Wozniacki; January 29th, 2007 at 10:03 AM.

February 4th, 2007, 11:49 AM	#20
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Frederic, did you try the Push Auto Focus when the camera was in manual, or auto focus mode? It should be switched to manual for the button to function! __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

February 4th, 2007, 08:24 PM	#21
Brent Kolitz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 121	Bogen 521PRO problems Does anyone have any experience with the Bogen 521PRO? I very recently picked one up for my Sony V1U, and I have two problems with it: 1. Several times the controller has shut down the camera within a few seconds of having manually turned the camera on. 2. Several times the controller has shut down the camera while recording 3. The last thing has to do with build quality: all of the controller's switches besides the rocker are of the membrane type. On my particular controller, one of the membrane switches feels and sounds OK, but the other ones both feel and sound horrible. Basically, it seems that when you press them, the entire plastic membrane cover is sticking somewhere, so the feel is mushy, and each press is followed by a slightly delayed plasticky unsticking click that's clearly picked up by the camera's mic. I'm trying to figure out whether mine is defective or just somehow incompatible with the V1. Also, I'd like to know whether these membrane switches are typical for the Bogens or whether mine is a reject.

February 5th, 2007, 03:21 PM	#23
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Thanks Frederic, I've talked to a Manfrotto engineer (actually employed and working here in Poland) and he told me a brand new controller (similar in form and functions to the MN523Pro) is being prepared especially for the XH series. He said the Canon's implementation of LANC protocol has always been problematic, but the new controller will be able to do with an XH exactly what the 523Pro can now with Sony. For focus or PAF to operate, the camcorder must be put into manual focus mode before connecting the controller. __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

January 26th, 2007, 06:59 AM	#17
Ben Lynn Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 636	The Manfrotto 521 will work just as well as any of the more expensive controllers and will mount to a spiderbrace. The Bebob is a very polished unit and has great control. I like the Bebobs mounting system more than the Manfrotto, but as far as rocker control is concerned they both work the same. You could save a lot of money going with the 521 and get the same results from the rocker. Ben

February 4th, 2007, 11:34 AM	#19
Frederic Gittler New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Posts: 22	From my experience using the Manfrotto 523PRO with the Canon XH-A1: all controls appear to be functional, except the "Push AF" button which apparently does nothing. It is worth mentioning that the manual focus controls can be used in both manual focus and autofocus modes -with the same behaviour as turning the focusing ring-. The On/Off button seems to put the XH-A1 in a "locked" state (exposure lock settings are retained).

February 5th, 2007, 03:07 PM	#22
Frederic Gittler New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Posts: 22	Piotr, I do confirm that the Push AF button of the Manfrotto 523PRO seems to operate nothing on the Canon XH-A1 in both AF and manual focus modes. Nothing special here; this is a common limitation of the 523PRO with many camcorders.

February 5th, 2007, 07:03 PM	#24
James Harring Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 210	PAF using Bebob [QUOTE=Toenis Liivamaegi]James, does the bebob DVXL support Push AF on Canon XL A1? What other LANC controllers support PAF on A1? Canon A1, I cannot say, it DOES work on Sony's A1u. Go to their website, I recall it answered my particular questions. The zoom feel is outstanding. I can creep zoom to next Sunday with it. Also, it supports all the cameras I would likely buy, so if I upgrade, it's one less thing to have to upgrade.

February 5th, 2007, 10:28 PM	#25
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Unfortunately, the pdf manual for bebob zoe -dvxl clearly states that the PAF and switching from auto to manual focus is available only to Sony and Canon XM2 cameras - still no go for the A1! __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

February 13th, 2007, 10:26 AM	#28
Dave Halliday Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 116	Does the 521 have "ramped" zoom speeds or only the 521 PRO? Is the only difference between the two the ability to set a maximum zoom speed and the addition of the "Push Auto Focus" button (which doesn't work on the Canon A1)?

February 13th, 2007, 10:46 AM	#29
Mark Woollard Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 54	I have not used the 521 but as you suggest, the PRO version adds push-auto focus and the ability to set the maximum zoom speed. But to clarify this latter function, there are two choices. First, you can select to have the zoom speed progressively increase up to the maximum you've chosen. Second you can select to zoom at a constant or "fixed" speed, regardless of how much you deflect the zoom lever. Switching between F (fixed) and P (progressive) is a simple press of the one button which toggles the setting back and forth. An LED shows which one you've selected. I find that feature very handy. Of course the primary reason I went for the PRO is for the push-auto focus, which works with the Sony Z1. Without that one feature, I probably would have gotten the "plain" 521 and saved a few bucks. __________________ Mark Woollard

February 13th, 2007, 11:22 AM	#30
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	I attended a show last year and had time with the Canon engineer and where we employed the 521Pro. The Push Focus didn't work. This is a real pity as it works well on my XM2s and would be THE reason to have it working on a SpiderBrace mounted A1. Hmmm...