Problems with StealthZoom on a DSR-250 at DVinfo.net

Dan Grimes · July 9th, 2003, 05:05 PM

I purchased a StealthZoom by VariZoom for my DSR-250 but I am not getting good results. The only reason I purchased it was because I tested a StealthZoom on a TRV-900 which seemed to have produced some good results and I thought the performance would be the same on the DSR-250.

I sent the unit in for repair and some problems went away, but I still cannot get a slow or smooth zoom out of it. I can get a better zoom from the rocker on the lens itself, so I doubt the camera is the problem.

In fairness, I am used to studio quality zoom controlls so perhaps I am expecting too much. But all the hype about VariZoom leaves me to expect better performance than the zoom rocker on the lens itself.

Anyone have a different experience than I with the StealthZoom on a DSR-250?

Mike Rehmus · July 9th, 2003, 06:47 PM

You will never get a better zoom than the camera provides. At least in the PD150, the zoom start and stop is abrupt. If you can get a no-bump start as you would get in a pro camera and the zoom control won't give it to you, then it would seem to be either defective or inappropriate for that camera.

A call to Sony phone support should get you the answer about what is possible with the camera. Then you can decide on the zoom control.

Tom Hardwick · July 10th, 2003, 12:51 PM

At the editor's request I've just tested the VariZoom Stealth and Rock for Computer Video magazine. My conclusions are harsh but amount to this: If the units cost 1/4 of the price they're being sold at, I know of not one persomn I recommend them to.

Here's a chunk from my conclusions.
Both the controllers exhibit two disturbing failings. The first is much more noticeable on the TRV900 than it is on the VX2000 and that is that in crash zoom mode the zoom speed isn’t constant. Slower zooms are fine though, and as a check all zooms performed using the camera’s own rocker were fine as well. Although no fault of the controllers, both of them started the zooms off too quickly for out liking – as if you started you car from rest and were immediately doing 10mph. Using the manual zoom ring on the VX2000 gave us imperceptible starts to the zoom that could gradually ramp up to speed, much more visually appealing.

The biggest failing of both controllers is their propensity to start slow zooms by inching forward. The zooms progress in tiny jerky steps until the controlling lever is pushed with slightly more force, at which point they move into the 10mph mode, the first of the six speeds programmed into the Sony lens. We feel this is quite unacceptable and during a wedding shoot the VZ-R was quickly unplugged. You don’t need to spoil more than two zooms to feel you can do a better job using the camera’s own rocker. On both the TRV900s the cameras would often start this slow stepping zoom of their own free will, with no fingers on any buttons.

Ask for your money back Dan.

tom.

Dan Grimes · July 10th, 2003, 02:58 PM

An email from someone at Varizoom told me that the StealthZoom operates in 4 of the 6 speeds, leaving out the fourth and last.

While disappointed, I will still use it for shots where I dissolve to the zoom. I need something to use on the handle of the tripod.

Someone suggested a controller made by Zoe. I will report back if I get one.

Tom Hardwick · July 10th, 2003, 03:12 PM

Yes, all I've read from respected videographers points to the Zoe and the Manfrotto as being the best zoom controllers you can get.

Doug Quance · July 13th, 2003, 09:18 AM

I guess that saves me the trouble of sending my unit back to Varizoom...

I have the Stealth on a 150 and often it will continue to crawl when I let go of the controller during a zoom in. Inching away... click click click. Not to mention the abrupt starts.

Mike Rehmus · July 13th, 2003, 07:41 PM

Hmmm, I've been using one for 2 years with no complaints. Twice a week during the school year and almost every weekend for extended periods.

The fast start is an issue with the lens zoom servo system, not with the control.

Wonder if they've change them?

Thomas McKay · August 30th, 2003, 02:01 PM

Dan & Doug,

This is Tom McKay from VariZoom. Dan I am unsure of why you are having the problem you are having but I would very much like to send you a new control and test the one you have in your possesion.

The control you have is not a bad choice for DSR250 but it is not our best control for that camera either.

I would like to send you a PROL and a VZRock so that you can see the difference for yourself.

Doug,

The control you have should start you off in the slowest speed your camera is capable of starting. I am concerned however that your joystick may be damaged because you mentioned the zoom drifting in one direction.

Please call the office at the toll free number below and we will replace both controls immediately.

The Stealth has been a very reliable control for us and quite popular. If there is a problem we want to hear about it and we want to take care of it.

Mike's experience of using the control problem free for years is more what we are accustomed to hearing about.

Please call the toll free number below and talk to Tom Smith or myself. We want our customers to be happy.

Tom McKay

888-826-3399

July 9th, 2003, 05:05 PM	#1
Dan Grimes New Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV USA Posts: 18	Problems with StealthZoom on a DSR-250 I purchased a StealthZoom by VariZoom for my DSR-250 but I am not getting good results. The only reason I purchased it was because I tested a StealthZoom on a TRV-900 which seemed to have produced some good results and I thought the performance would be the same on the DSR-250. I sent the unit in for repair and some problems went away, but I still cannot get a slow or smooth zoom out of it. I can get a better zoom from the rocker on the lens itself, so I doubt the camera is the problem. In fairness, I am used to studio quality zoom controlls so perhaps I am expecting too much. But all the hype about VariZoom leaves me to expect better performance than the zoom rocker on the lens itself. Anyone have a different experience than I with the StealthZoom on a DSR-250?

July 9th, 2003, 06:47 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	You will never get a better zoom than the camera provides. At least in the PD150, the zoom start and stop is abrupt. If you can get a no-bump start as you would get in a pro camera and the zoom control won't give it to you, then it would seem to be either defective or inappropriate for that camera. A call to Sony phone support should get you the answer about what is possible with the camera. Then you can decide on the zoom control. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

July 10th, 2003, 02:58 PM	#4
Dan Grimes New Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV USA Posts: 18	Performance Verified An email from someone at Varizoom told me that the StealthZoom operates in 4 of the 6 speeds, leaving out the fourth and last. While disappointed, I will still use it for shots where I dissolve to the zoom. I need something to use on the handle of the tripod. Someone suggested a controller made by Zoe. I will report back if I get one.

July 13th, 2003, 09:18 AM	#6
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	I guess that saves me the trouble of sending my unit back to Varizoom... I have the Stealth on a 150 and often it will continue to crawl when I let go of the controller during a zoom in. Inching away... click click click. Not to mention the abrupt starts. __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

July 13th, 2003, 07:41 PM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Hmmm, I've been using one for 2 years with no complaints. Twice a week during the school year and almost every weekend for extended periods. The fast start is an issue with the lens zoom servo system, not with the control. Wonder if they've change them? __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

July 10th, 2003, 12:51 PM	#3
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	At the editor's request I've just tested the VariZoom Stealth and Rock for Computer Video magazine. My conclusions are harsh but amount to this: If the units cost 1/4 of the price they're being sold at, I know of not one persomn I recommend them to. Here's a chunk from my conclusions. Both the controllers exhibit two disturbing failings. The first is much more noticeable on the TRV900 than it is on the VX2000 and that is that in crash zoom mode the zoom speed isn’t constant. Slower zooms are fine though, and as a check all zooms performed using the camera’s own rocker were fine as well. Although no fault of the controllers, both of them started the zooms off too quickly for out liking – as if you started you car from rest and were immediately doing 10mph. Using the manual zoom ring on the VX2000 gave us imperceptible starts to the zoom that could gradually ramp up to speed, much more visually appealing. The biggest failing of both controllers is their propensity to start slow zooms by inching forward. The zooms progress in tiny jerky steps until the controlling lever is pushed with slightly more force, at which point they move into the 10mph mode, the first of the six speeds programmed into the Sony lens. We feel this is quite unacceptable and during a wedding shoot the VZ-R was quickly unplugged. You don’t need to spoil more than two zooms to feel you can do a better job using the camera’s own rocker. On both the TRV900s the cameras would often start this slow stepping zoom of their own free will, with no fingers on any buttons. Ask for your money back Dan. tom.

July 10th, 2003, 03:12 PM	#5
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Yes, all I've read from respected videographers points to the Zoe and the Manfrotto as being the best zoom controllers you can get.

August 30th, 2003, 02:01 PM	#8
Thomas McKay Sponsor: VariZoom Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 58	Your VariZoom on the DSR 250 and 150 Dan & Doug, This is Tom McKay from VariZoom. Dan I am unsure of why you are having the problem you are having but I would very much like to send you a new control and test the one you have in your possesion. The control you have is not a bad choice for DSR250 but it is not our best control for that camera either. I would like to send you a PROL and a VZRock so that you can see the difference for yourself. Doug, The control you have should start you off in the slowest speed your camera is capable of starting. I am concerned however that your joystick may be damaged because you mentioned the zoom drifting in one direction. Please call the office at the toll free number below and we will replace both controls immediately. The Stealth has been a very reliable control for us and quite popular. If there is a problem we want to hear about it and we want to take care of it. Mike's experience of using the control problem free for years is more what we are accustomed to hearing about. Please call the toll free number below and talk to Tom Smith or myself. We want our customers to be happy. Tom McKay 888-826-3399