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Charles Papert · May 27th, 2004, 02:29 PM

Joe, buying the best tripod you can afford is a solid, long-term choice and you are right to prioritize that over a stabilizer.

As an FYI to readers of this thread who might look into that forum that Joe linked, some of my thoughts:

Post 2--While a Steadytracker can perform simple walking shots, it won't have the subtlety of a gimballed system (panning/tilting).

Post 4--Endless balancing--arguable, it's part of the deal.

One-handed operation for JR--only under certain circumstances. Best results are when operating with two hands.

Issues with extra weight: agreed, no camera over 4-5 lbs belongs on a handheld stabilizer.

Post 6--there is no comparison between shooting off a tripod and shooting off a stabilizer. One is for non-moving shots, the other is for moving shots. One is not a substitute for the other.

Post 8--learning great handheld technique is a wonderful art and everyone who shoots should practice it to a certain degree. However, even the best shooters in the world cannot deliver the same level of results that a stabilizer can when it comes to truly fluid movement, it's not how the human body works.

Post 9--I doubt that a gimballed stabilizer could be built for $20. I'm guessing they built something along the lines of a Steadytracker, aka a weighted stick. See Post 2 comments.

Regarding wearable rigs, taking an expensive workshop is a good choice if you want to become a great operator and can afford it. But for the lower end wearable rigs (under $5K, say) it's not likely to be a logical choice, and the solution is lots of practice.

Post 10--apparently lots of folks have a hard time with the balance. It isn't all that intuitive and can be frustrating, but it CAN and is possible and many users of these type of rigs have been working with them for years with fine results.

Post 11--True to an extent. It is certainly easier to work with the types of equipment mentioned hear. But if you are dead-set on getting Steadicam shots, you need to invest the time and patience. It's not a plug and play technology.

That's really the moral of the story: it don't come easy. You need to commit the time and be prepared for the learning curve and the physicality involved. It sounds like most of those posters wanted it to magically fly through the air by itself ten minutes after taking it out of the box, and it doesn't. However, it's all too easy to get frustrated and blame it on the equipment, which is not really the case. The Steadicam JR has been around for something like 13 years and there are many, many satisfied users. I myself bought one when it first came out and paid it off within a month on a couple of Hi-8 jobs, and the client loved the results. Now since I have a Steadicam background, it was easier for me to transfer my operating knowledge but I still had to learn the particulars of the system. But there is one shot that I did on an industrial back then that amazed me, because I felt the results were every bit as good as I could get on my big rig.

Good luck with your decisions, all!

Joe Cirino · May 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM

Thank you so much for your time in answering these tough questions. I may in the future purchase one after all. It is always the case that with good practice, one can master.

Cheers

Ken Tanaka · May 28th, 2004, 10:35 AM

Sale Pending

Jeremy Malheim · May 28th, 2004, 11:19 AM

Still for sale. Any offers?

Josh Brusin · May 28th, 2004, 06:51 PM

Hey,
Anyone have a first generation XL1 (or beat XL1s) body only for sale? It can be ugly as long as it works...
Looking to spend around $1K and have tons (TONS) of macintosh and PC computer hardware, software, etc... for partial trade as well.
Thanks,
Josh

Love Mov · May 29th, 2004, 09:24 AM

The camera is about 1 month, and less than 3 hours used, all meters show 0. List here for maybe 1 week for a quick sale and need save some transaction cost; if no one interested after a week, I will list it on eBay.
Please check product link to get more detail.

These 3 need go together (they are so perfect match), asking $1850.
Camera:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=302346&is=REG
Extra larger battery:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=275104&is=REG
Soft bag:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=169538&is=REG

Following accessories will consider seperate sale: (all less than 1 month):

B+W 37mm Kaesemann Circular Polarizer Glass Filter: ($60)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=180398&is=REG

Sony AC-SQ950D AC/DC Power Adapter / Super Quick Charger - for M Series Lithium-Ion Batteries ($80)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=243839&is=REG

Canon ZR-1000 Zoom Remote Control, for Camcorders with Control-L (Lanc) ($160)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=186651&is=REG

Get them all for $2100.

All are US item and carry valid warrant. I take money order and paypal(add 3%), all price does not include shipping and insurance. I have perfect rating on eBay. Please contact me at lovemov@sbcglobal.net if you're interested.

Love Mov · May 29th, 2004, 09:32 AM

By the way, here are some vido capture I took from THIS camera,

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=25961

Nick Hiltgen · May 29th, 2004, 10:24 AM

hey josh I don't suppose you want a PAL xl1 body by any chance?

Sam Forbes · May 29th, 2004, 12:37 PM

$1250???

Torrey C. Harris · May 29th, 2004, 09:28 PM

call me asap cell# 1-225-209-9640 or home 1-225-209-9640

Joe Lloyd · May 30th, 2004, 03:37 AM

OK this stuff is going on ebay now....

Ed Araquel · May 30th, 2004, 11:06 AM

Apparently this version of the Mini35 cannot work at all with the DVX-100. You'll need the latest Mini35 for that to happen.

e

Jeremy Malheim · May 30th, 2004, 02:28 PM

One correction, I have 10 Fuji tapes, not six.

Ignacio Rodriguez · May 31st, 2004, 06:53 PM

My sister will be travelling to the Vancouver BC area in the 15th of june. Through her, I would like to buy a pre-owned 15" PowerBook G4 (aluminum). She would be paying for it with a local Canadian currency check (from her dad) or cash if requiered. I would need a written statement form the owner specifying that it was sold used, to avoid problems with customs when my sister brings it home. Please contact me at info@canal.cl or post back to this thread if you prefer.

Any recommendations about stores that sell pre-owned macs in the area are also welcome. Thank You very much.

Joe Lloyd · May 31st, 2004, 08:35 PM

How much are you looking for , and are you interested in the 17 at all?

May 27th, 2004, 02:29 PM	#1096
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Joe, buying the best tripod you can afford is a solid, long-term choice and you are right to prioritize that over a stabilizer. As an FYI to readers of this thread who might look into that forum that Joe linked, some of my thoughts: Post 2--While a Steadytracker can perform simple walking shots, it won't have the subtlety of a gimballed system (panning/tilting). Post 4--Endless balancing--arguable, it's part of the deal. One-handed operation for JR--only under certain circumstances. Best results are when operating with two hands. Issues with extra weight: agreed, no camera over 4-5 lbs belongs on a handheld stabilizer. Post 6--there is no comparison between shooting off a tripod and shooting off a stabilizer. One is for non-moving shots, the other is for moving shots. One is not a substitute for the other. Post 8--learning great handheld technique is a wonderful art and everyone who shoots should practice it to a certain degree. However, even the best shooters in the world cannot deliver the same level of results that a stabilizer can when it comes to truly fluid movement, it's not how the human body works. Post 9--I doubt that a gimballed stabilizer could be built for $20. I'm guessing they built something along the lines of a Steadytracker, aka a weighted stick. See Post 2 comments. Regarding wearable rigs, taking an expensive workshop is a good choice if you want to become a great operator and can afford it. But for the lower end wearable rigs (under $5K, say) it's not likely to be a logical choice, and the solution is lots of practice. Post 10--apparently lots of folks have a hard time with the balance. It isn't all that intuitive and can be frustrating, but it CAN and is possible and many users of these type of rigs have been working with them for years with fine results. Post 11--True to an extent. It is certainly easier to work with the types of equipment mentioned hear. But if you are dead-set on getting Steadicam shots, you need to invest the time and patience. It's not a plug and play technology. That's really the moral of the story: it don't come easy. You need to commit the time and be prepared for the learning curve and the physicality involved. It sounds like most of those posters wanted it to magically fly through the air by itself ten minutes after taking it out of the box, and it doesn't. However, it's all too easy to get frustrated and blame it on the equipment, which is not really the case. The Steadicam JR has been around for something like 13 years and there are many, many satisfied users. I myself bought one when it first came out and paid it off within a month on a couple of Hi-8 jobs, and the client loved the results. Now since I have a Steadicam background, it was easier for me to transfer my operating knowledge but I still had to learn the particulars of the system. But there is one shot that I did on an industrial back then that amazed me, because I felt the results were every bit as good as I could get on my big rig. Good luck with your decisions, all! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

May 28th, 2004, 10:35 AM	#1098
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Sale Pending __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

May 28th, 2004, 06:51 PM	#1100
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	XL1 Body only wanted! Hey, Anyone have a first generation XL1 (or beat XL1s) body only for sale? It can be ugly as long as it works... Looking to spend around $1K and have tons (TONS) of macintosh and PC computer hardware, software, etc... for partial trade as well. Thanks, Josh

May 29th, 2004, 09:24 AM	#1101
Love Mov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 97	FS: Like new Sony PDX10 and some accessories The camera is about 1 month, and less than 3 hours used, all meters show 0. List here for maybe 1 week for a quick sale and need save some transaction cost; if no one interested after a week, I will list it on eBay. Please check product link to get more detail. These 3 need go together (they are so perfect match), asking $1850. Camera: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=302346&is=REG Extra larger battery: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=275104&is=REG Soft bag: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=169538&is=REG Following accessories will consider seperate sale: (all less than 1 month): B+W 37mm Kaesemann Circular Polarizer Glass Filter: ($60) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=180398&is=REG Sony AC-SQ950D AC/DC Power Adapter / Super Quick Charger - for M Series Lithium-Ion Batteries ($80) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=243839&is=REG Canon ZR-1000 Zoom Remote Control, for Camcorders with Control-L (Lanc) ($160) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=186651&is=REG Get them all for $2100. All are US item and carry valid warrant. I take money order and paypal(add 3%), all price does not include shipping and insurance. I have perfect rating on eBay. Please contact me at lovemov@sbcglobal.net if you're interested.

May 29th, 2004, 09:28 PM	#1105
Torrey C. Harris Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Holden,La Posts: 246	i might be able to help you, xl-1 body call me asap cell# 1-225-209-9640 or home 1-225-209-9640 __________________ Take a kid hunting or fishing and you won't have to hunt for him or her later on in life. The outdoors were created to enjoy not look at through a glass window.

May 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM	#1097
Joe Cirino Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United States Posts: 101	Thank you so much for your time in answering these tough questions. I may in the future purchase one after all. It is always the case that with good practice, one can master. Cheers

May 28th, 2004, 11:19 AM	#1099
Jeremy Malheim New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fargo, North Dakota Posts: 17	Still for sale. Any offers?

May 29th, 2004, 09:32 AM	#1102
Love Mov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 97	By the way, here are some vido capture I took from THIS camera, http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=25961

May 29th, 2004, 10:24 AM	#1103
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	hey josh I don't suppose you want a PAL xl1 body by any chance?

May 29th, 2004, 12:37 PM	#1104
Sam Forbes Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 79	$1250???

May 30th, 2004, 03:37 AM	#1106
Joe Lloyd Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 202	OK this stuff is going on ebay now.... __________________ Catalina Productions http://www.catalina.co.nz

May 30th, 2004, 11:06 AM	#1107
Ed Araquel New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 17	Definitely does not work with DVX-100 Apparently this version of the Mini35 cannot work at all with the DVX-100. You'll need the latest Mini35 for that to happen. e

May 30th, 2004, 02:28 PM	#1108
Jeremy Malheim New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fargo, North Dakota Posts: 17	One correction, I have 10 Fuji tapes, not six.

May 31st, 2004, 06:53 PM	#1109
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	Wanted: used alum. PowerBook G4 in the Vancouver area My sister will be travelling to the Vancouver BC area in the 15th of june. Through her, I would like to buy a pre-owned 15" PowerBook G4 (aluminum). She would be paying for it with a local Canadian currency check (from her dad) or cash if requiered. I would need a written statement form the owner specifying that it was sold used, to avoid problems with customs when my sister brings it home. Please contact me at info@canal.cl or post back to this thread if you prefer. Any recommendations about stores that sell pre-owned macs in the area are also welcome. Thank You very much. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

May 31st, 2004, 08:35 PM	#1110
Joe Lloyd Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 202	How much are you looking for , and are you interested in the 17 at all? __________________ Catalina Productions http://www.catalina.co.nz