how good are lowel lights? at DVinfo.net

Victor Nguyen · May 27th, 2012, 09:26 PM

I am contemplating investing in some lowel lights, what are the general consensus of this brand?

Allan Black · May 27th, 2012, 09:45 PM

Lowel are considered a very good brand.

Cheers.

Victor Nguyen · May 27th, 2012, 09:47 PM

do you own any of them or use them before Allan?

Allan Black · May 27th, 2012, 10:06 PM

No but I know outfits that do. Try a search here and you'll find positive posts from users.

Cheers.

Jacques Mersereau · May 28th, 2012, 11:00 AM

Of their line,Lowel's best is the RIFA line of softboxes. Quick set up and really nice
light too. Beware the stands, though light and strong enough for the job, they
need to be treated well. I've had several collars on them crack (cast Alum.)
when others handled them or knocked them over (light stands may need sand bags).

I intend to buy more for use in our video studio soon.

Victor Nguyen · May 28th, 2012, 03:37 PM

I have about $400 right now to spend on light (need to find a new job) so I can basically buy 2 lowel light, what would you guys recommend?

Jacques Mersereau · May 28th, 2012, 04:33 PM

What kind of stuff are you wanting to do? Interviews or ?
Reason being, $400 won't buy even one small RIFA kit.

There are probably alternatives to recommend (used) if you can let us know.
Really don't want to recommend the wrong tools for the job.

HTH.

Victor Nguyen · May 28th, 2012, 05:18 PM

music video, like this

Les Wilson · May 28th, 2012, 05:55 PM

Use eBay to save you some money on good gear. The Lowel stuff is good and well liked. It will last you. It looks like you need a softbox. There's two models of the Rifas. The original and the EX. You can save some money on the original. The EX just enables you to use interchangeable sockets to switch from tungsten to Flo. Your money will go further on Lowel stuff on eBay. Quality matters in a softbox. Assembly and disassembly takes it's toll.... rips... holes... One softbox and a Lowel Pro for a hair light might be enough to get you going. Add another Rifa or Pro for fill later... use a reflector for now

Jacques Mersereau · May 28th, 2012, 06:43 PM

Looks to me like you need a at least one, if not two soft lights and a fresnel or two.

Other questions:
how much power output? 200W - 2K?
The type of camera and its light requirements need to be considered.
Choices made in power output effect the kind of cable, stands and vehicle you'll need
and heat generated.

Lanterns can be a cost effect source of soft light. They do, however, output it
in all directions, so having the ability to skirt the instrument is good.

Chimera makes nice lanterns

Chimera 30" Lantern Light Bank w/Skirt #1885 845077018851 | eBay

Or possibly a used Mole like this:

1k Mole Richardson Super Softlites type 2551 Tungsten Studio Light | eBay

Egg-Crate attachments and barn doors that are accessories to the Mole design can help shape and keep the diffused light directional.

Lowel might be a good choice for an inexpensive back/hard/jaw light, but I prefer something like the Mole Inky or Betweenie. Both available used on Ebay.

Oren Arieli · May 28th, 2012, 06:54 PM

My two cents: I would recommend that you buy some books or videos on lighting before purchasing gear. At $40-80, it would be your best investment and a good way to avoid spending money on equipment you might not need.
There are many DIY solutions to creating soft light, some as simple as shower curtains, photo umbrellas, and bedsheets. Therefore, you might want to maximize your spending dollars on a quality hard light fixture (fresnel) that can serve multiple purposes.

Can you rent the gear for your first few shoots? $400 goes a long way towards top-quality light gear rental. You'll also be able to figure out what works and doesn't work based on your style and skill.

Garrett Low · May 29th, 2012, 09:45 AM

I would second Oren's advise about renting gear first. If you're going to continue to shoot and it's not just a one time event, lights are something that you will keep with you for a long time. You'll want to learn what works best for you and what types of lighting instruments you'll need to get the look you like.

I started out with a small kit of Lowell lights. They are a pretty good deal for the amount they cost and are of higher quality than a lot of the cheap Chinese made knock offs. But, they do run hot and are not as controllable as say a Fresnel. But they are a lot more affordable. A lot will depend on what type of projects you shoot.

From the look of the video they uses a few Fresnels, diffused one behind the band member with the stripped shirt, and used the practicals (the lights you see in the shot) to provide some shadows and fill. You would have a hard time controlling the spill from open faced lights such as the Lowell's to achieve the look of that video. You could do it but you'd have to have some black wrap and a lot of flags to achieve it. At least that is my read on it.

$400 for lighting equipment is not a lot of money. If you do only spend that much you won't really get much or you'll be buying very cheaply made lights. Don't forget you'll also be investing in things like stands, gels, extension cords, dimmers, so it will add up fast but those are the pieces of equipment that will help you really shape the light to achieve the look you want.

In addition to books there are some very good basic lighting tutorials on the web.

Seth Bloombaum · May 29th, 2012, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oren Arieli

There are many DIY solutions to creating soft light, some as simple as shower curtains, ...and bedsheets....

With all respect to Oren and legions of DIYers, please avoid use of flammable materials for diffusion. Yes, they work. But, sometimes, they contact a hot light and go up in flames. All sorts of unpleasant consequences can follow.

Spend $20 at your favorite grip and lighting source and purchase some Rosco Tough Spun, designed for the job. Your sawbuck will get you about 3 sheets 20x24", that can be clipped, stiched, or taped together. Better still is if the retailer will cut some off a wide roll.

Oren Arieli · May 29th, 2012, 11:14 AM

Agreed Seth. I forgot to make that very important message regarding hot lights and flammable materials. There is no excuse for a burning set other than carelessness and/or stupidity. Even fluorescent lights generate heat that needs to be accounted for.

Victor Nguyen · May 29th, 2012, 09:43 PM

seems like many people does start with lowel but then upgrade to Arri later on. I'm thinking of biting the bullets and just buy a 650 arri fresnel for starter because I don't want to upgrade in the future. Can you please tell me why you upgraded to Arri?

May 27th, 2012, 09:45 PM	#2
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,930	Re: how good are lowel lights? Lowel are considered a very good brand. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

May 27th, 2012, 09:47 PM	#3
Victor Nguyen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 289	Re: how good are lowel lights? do you own any of them or use them before Allan?

May 27th, 2012, 10:06 PM	#4
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,930	Re: how good are lowel lights? No but I know outfits that do. Try a search here and you'll find positive posts from users. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

May 28th, 2012, 11:00 AM	#5
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Re: how good are lowel lights? Of their line,Lowel's best is the RIFA line of softboxes. Quick set up and really nice light too. Beware the stands, though light and strong enough for the job, they need to be treated well. I've had several collars on them crack (cast Alum.) when others handled them or knocked them over (light stands may need sand bags). I intend to buy more for use in our video studio soon. __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

May 28th, 2012, 03:37 PM	#6
Victor Nguyen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 289	Re: how good are lowel lights? I have about $400 right now to spend on light (need to find a new job) so I can basically buy 2 lowel light, what would you guys recommend?

May 27th, 2012, 09:26 PM	#1
Victor Nguyen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 289	how good are lowel lights? I am contemplating investing in some lowel lights, what are the general consensus of this brand?

May 28th, 2012, 04:33 PM	#7
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Re: how good are lowel lights? What kind of stuff are you wanting to do? Interviews or ? Reason being, $400 won't buy even one small RIFA kit. There are probably alternatives to recommend (used) if you can let us know. Really don't want to recommend the wrong tools for the job. HTH. __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

May 28th, 2012, 05:18 PM	#8
Victor Nguyen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 289	Re: how good are lowel lights? music video, like this The Wanted - Glad You Came (Boyce Avenue acoustic cover) on iTunes - YouTube

May 28th, 2012, 05:55 PM	#9
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: how good are lowel lights? Use eBay to save you some money on good gear. The Lowel stuff is good and well liked. It will last you. It looks like you need a softbox. There's two models of the Rifas. The original and the EX. You can save some money on the original. The EX just enables you to use interchangeable sockets to switch from tungsten to Flo. Your money will go further on Lowel stuff on eBay. Quality matters in a softbox. Assembly and disassembly takes it's toll.... rips... holes... One softbox and a Lowel Pro for a hair light might be enough to get you going. Add another Rifa or Pro for fill later... use a reflector for now Last edited by Les Wilson; May 28th, 2012 at 07:58 PM.

May 28th, 2012, 06:43 PM	#10
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Re: how good are lowel lights? Looks to me like you need a at least one, if not two soft lights and a fresnel or two. Other questions: how much power output? 200W - 2K? The type of camera and its light requirements need to be considered. Choices made in power output effect the kind of cable, stands and vehicle you'll need and heat generated. Lanterns can be a cost effect source of soft light. They do, however, output it in all directions, so having the ability to skirt the instrument is good. Chimera makes nice lanterns Chimera 30" Lantern Light Bank w/Skirt #1885 845077018851 \| eBay Or possibly a used Mole like this: 1k Mole Richardson Super Softlites type 2551 Tungsten Studio Light \| eBay Egg-Crate attachments and barn doors that are accessories to the Mole design can help shape and keep the diffused light directional. Lowel might be a good choice for an inexpensive back/hard/jaw light, but I prefer something like the Mole Inky or Betweenie. Both available used on Ebay. __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

May 28th, 2012, 06:54 PM	#11
Oren Arieli Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 919	Re: how good are lowel lights? My two cents: I would recommend that you buy some books or videos on lighting before purchasing gear. At $40-80, it would be your best investment and a good way to avoid spending money on equipment you might not need. There are many DIY solutions to creating soft light, some as simple as shower curtains, photo umbrellas, and bedsheets. Therefore, you might want to maximize your spending dollars on a quality hard light fixture (fresnel) that can serve multiple purposes. Can you rent the gear for your first few shoots? $400 goes a long way towards top-quality light gear rental. You'll also be able to figure out what works and doesn't work based on your style and skill.

May 29th, 2012, 09:45 AM	#12
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Re: how good are lowel lights? I would second Oren's advise about renting gear first. If you're going to continue to shoot and it's not just a one time event, lights are something that you will keep with you for a long time. You'll want to learn what works best for you and what types of lighting instruments you'll need to get the look you like. I started out with a small kit of Lowell lights. They are a pretty good deal for the amount they cost and are of higher quality than a lot of the cheap Chinese made knock offs. But, they do run hot and are not as controllable as say a Fresnel. But they are a lot more affordable. A lot will depend on what type of projects you shoot. From the look of the video they uses a few Fresnels, diffused one behind the band member with the stripped shirt, and used the practicals (the lights you see in the shot) to provide some shadows and fill. You would have a hard time controlling the spill from open faced lights such as the Lowell's to achieve the look of that video. You could do it but you'd have to have some black wrap and a lot of flags to achieve it. At least that is my read on it. $400 for lighting equipment is not a lot of money. If you do only spend that much you won't really get much or you'll be buying very cheaply made lights. Don't forget you'll also be investing in things like stands, gels, extension cords, dimmers, so it will add up fast but those are the pieces of equipment that will help you really shape the light to achieve the look you want. In addition to books there are some very good basic lighting tutorials on the web. __________________ Garrett Low www.GLowMediaProductions.com

May 29th, 2012, 11:14 AM	#14
Oren Arieli Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 919	Re: how good are lowel lights? Agreed Seth. I forgot to make that very important message regarding hot lights and flammable materials. There is no excuse for a burning set other than carelessness and/or stupidity. Even fluorescent lights generate heat that needs to be accounted for.

May 29th, 2012, 09:43 PM	#15
Victor Nguyen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 289	Re: how good are lowel lights? seems like many people does start with lowel but then upgrade to Arri later on. I'm thinking of biting the bullets and just buy a 650 arri fresnel for starter because I don't want to upgrade in the future. Can you please tell me why you upgraded to Arri?