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Obin Olson · September 21st, 2004, 07:24 PM

Jason I am looking for some good 2k fresnel and 650 tweenie lights used..ideas? I was over at the local light shop here and they seem to be a good source...I am buying 26 feet of standard dolly track and they have a Arri 650 knockoff for about $400 each....

Jason Rodriguez · September 21st, 2004, 07:44 PM

Hey Obin,

Actually, if you can find one, a good set of very powerful but low wattage lights are some new Dedolight PAR 400's. Bascially at 400W's they have the same photometric data as a 1.2K HMI PAR, which is really good, especially when you can put a couple on single house circuit without blowing the fuse (unlike a 2K fresnel).

Not too sure where a good place for used lighting might be locally. Chances are there are much better used shops down there than up here. On the internet you might want to try Mandy.com or visualproducts.com.

Hope that helps.

Obin Olson · September 21st, 2004, 07:47 PM

Tell me about this new light....how does it work? spread? pattern? is it hot?

Jason Rodriguez · September 21st, 2004, 07:51 PM

BTW, just looked up the price . . . $5K!

Never mind, I've heard some great stuff about this light, but that's kind of expensive, I'm sure more than you were planning on spending.

If you can find some though, you'll get more light out of a 1.2K HMI PAR, which again, you can get two lamps on a normal house circuit. You should be able to find those pretty cheap. The only thing about them is that they are daylight balanced, so you'll need a full CTO to get them to tungsten, but even with the CTO, they're brighter than a 2K Tungsten Fresnel.

Obin Olson · September 21st, 2004, 07:57 PM

Ok I have been reading..that is a mini sized HMI with a new focus system it looks like?

I don't think we can afford that system right now..do you have any idea what they go for Jason? I was thinking of getting 4 650 tweenies 2 2k open face to go along with our 2 1k redheads and 2 1k Altman Fresnel lights..dunno but this seems to me it would be a good "basic" package for us to shoot most projects with..I also have 4 Kino 4foot banks

So our package would be:

2 1k redheads - openface
2 1k Altmans - Fresnel
4 650w tweenies - fresnel
2 2k Blond's - open face
4 4foot KinoFlows

that would work for most stuff don't you think?
We jsut bought a new trailer 12x7 with ramp on back and tall enough to stand and walk inside

I have placed an order for 26foot of CineTrack and I made some production carts for hauling gear in and out along with a Dolly holder on wheels

Jason Rodriguez · September 21st, 2004, 07:59 PM

BTW, have you ever played with a PAR before? I'm assuming you have, but if not, they are very nice lights. They have a lens on the front, and you can add different lenses for different spread patterns. A typical PAR is the ARRISUN PAR, which at 10m puts out 33,000lux w/o a lens. Quite a bit of light! Your typical Junior 2K puts out around 2,000 lux at 10m, so you can see the difference!

Jason Rodriguez · September 21st, 2004, 08:01 PM

Okay, just read your last post,

yah, you'll probably want to add a 1.2K HMI PAR in there, will make for a great "ambient" room light when bounced off a wall or something of that nature. Again, at 33,000 lux @ 10m, there's a lot of light coming out of that fixture, and you can really light up a whole room with just one of those, and then use your 650's and 1K's for a key/fill, etc.

You can get older ones for a relatively cheap price on the used market-and it'll be worth it, since it'll give you the light of a couple Junior 2K's-the only caveat again being that it's not tungsten balanced, so you'll need a full CTO on them to get them to match other tungsten sources-but even then it's more light that a 2K Fresnel.

Obin Olson · September 21st, 2004, 08:14 PM

4k HMI on ebay for $429..that ia shit light or?

type in HMI in ebay

Jason Rodriguez · September 21st, 2004, 10:18 PM

That unit's been in storage for the last two years, even the seller doesn't know if it works (and if it does, you'd need a $$$ generator to test it out). A more typical price for a used 4K HMI fresnel is that one that is going for the "buy it now" price of $4,500. But the fresnels are nowhere near as bright as the PAR's.

Joshua Starnes · September 22nd, 2004, 10:50 AM

Pyramid Films routinely liquidates older lights on eBay. They have a couple of sub-$1000 HMI units on there now.

I got a couple of Ianiro 1Ks from them last year for a song, and they've worked great for me.

Wayne Orr · September 26th, 2004, 11:52 PM

Hey Obin. You better include a heavy duty generator to fire up all that lighting equipment, because the 2K lamps alone are going to trip your breakers.

Why do you need all this firepower? Are you lighting sets? It's way more light than you would ever need to light interior rooms, and it's a lot of heavy gear to lug around unless you have a grip truck in your budget. Plus, you need light stands, C stands, flags, nets, blah, blah, blah.

And all that light puts out a tremendous amount of heat, even assuming you are not using all the lights at one time.

Wayne Orr, SOC

September 21st, 2004, 07:24 PM	#1
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Jason I am looking for some good 2k fresnel and 650 tweenie lights used..ideas? I was over at the local light shop here and they seem to be a good source...I am buying 26 feet of standard dolly track and they have a Arri 650 knockoff for about $400 each....

September 21st, 2004, 07:44 PM	#2
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	Hey Obin, Actually, if you can find one, a good set of very powerful but low wattage lights are some new Dedolight PAR 400's. Bascially at 400W's they have the same photometric data as a 1.2K HMI PAR, which is really good, especially when you can put a couple on single house circuit without blowing the fuse (unlike a 2K fresnel). Not too sure where a good place for used lighting might be locally. Chances are there are much better used shops down there than up here. On the internet you might want to try Mandy.com or visualproducts.com. Hope that helps.

September 21st, 2004, 07:47 PM	#3
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Tell me about this new light....how does it work? spread? pattern? is it hot?

September 21st, 2004, 07:51 PM	#4
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	BTW, just looked up the price . . . $5K! Never mind, I've heard some great stuff about this light, but that's kind of expensive, I'm sure more than you were planning on spending. If you can find some though, you'll get more light out of a 1.2K HMI PAR, which again, you can get two lamps on a normal house circuit. You should be able to find those pretty cheap. The only thing about them is that they are daylight balanced, so you'll need a full CTO to get them to tungsten, but even with the CTO, they're brighter than a 2K Tungsten Fresnel.

September 21st, 2004, 07:57 PM	#5
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Ok I have been reading..that is a mini sized HMI with a new focus system it looks like? I don't think we can afford that system right now..do you have any idea what they go for Jason? I was thinking of getting 4 650 tweenies 2 2k open face to go along with our 2 1k redheads and 2 1k Altman Fresnel lights..dunno but this seems to me it would be a good "basic" package for us to shoot most projects with..I also have 4 Kino 4foot banks So our package would be: 2 1k redheads - openface 2 1k Altmans - Fresnel 4 650w tweenies - fresnel 2 2k Blond's - open face 4 4foot KinoFlows that would work for most stuff don't you think? We jsut bought a new trailer 12x7 with ramp on back and tall enough to stand and walk inside I have placed an order for 26foot of CineTrack and I made some production carts for hauling gear in and out along with a Dolly holder on wheels

September 21st, 2004, 07:59 PM	#6
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	BTW, have you ever played with a PAR before? I'm assuming you have, but if not, they are very nice lights. They have a lens on the front, and you can add different lenses for different spread patterns. A typical PAR is the ARRISUN PAR, which at 10m puts out 33,000lux w/o a lens. Quite a bit of light! Your typical Junior 2K puts out around 2,000 lux at 10m, so you can see the difference!

September 21st, 2004, 08:01 PM	#7
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	Okay, just read your last post, yah, you'll probably want to add a 1.2K HMI PAR in there, will make for a great "ambient" room light when bounced off a wall or something of that nature. Again, at 33,000 lux @ 10m, there's a lot of light coming out of that fixture, and you can really light up a whole room with just one of those, and then use your 650's and 1K's for a key/fill, etc. You can get older ones for a relatively cheap price on the used market-and it'll be worth it, since it'll give you the light of a couple Junior 2K's-the only caveat again being that it's not tungsten balanced, so you'll need a full CTO on them to get them to match other tungsten sources-but even then it's more light that a 2K Fresnel.

September 21st, 2004, 08:14 PM	#8
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	4k HMI on ebay for $429..that ia shit light or? type in HMI in ebay

September 21st, 2004, 10:18 PM	#9
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	That unit's been in storage for the last two years, even the seller doesn't know if it works (and if it does, you'd need a $$$ generator to test it out). A more typical price for a used 4K HMI fresnel is that one that is going for the "buy it now" price of $4,500. But the fresnels are nowhere near as bright as the PAR's.

September 22nd, 2004, 10:50 AM	#10
Joshua Starnes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 356	Pyramid Films routinely liquidates older lights on eBay. They have a couple of sub-$1000 HMI units on there now. I got a couple of Ianiro 1Ks from them last year for a song, and they've worked great for me.

September 26th, 2004, 11:52 PM	#11
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	Hey Obin. You better include a heavy duty generator to fire up all that lighting equipment, because the 2K lamps alone are going to trip your breakers. Why do you need all this firepower? Are you lighting sets? It's way more light than you would ever need to light interior rooms, and it's a lot of heavy gear to lug around unless you have a grip truck in your budget. Plus, you need light stands, C stands, flags, nets, blah, blah, blah. And all that light puts out a tremendous amount of heat, even assuming you are not using all the lights at one time. Wayne Orr, SOC