Casio EX-F1 720p30 video- impressive!

Steve Mullen · November 28th, 2008, 04:39 AM

Amazing no time lapse built in. But, the is a wired remote available. I suspect it would be very simple to use this connection to fire off shots.

Jay Birch · November 28th, 2008, 06:36 AM

there is a timelapse hack... it's not perfect, but ok.

Just set your camera to frameburst mode.... compose your shot, set the AE and focus... then, in the frame burst setting, set it to "Auto N". When you click the shutter, the camera will then take a shot every second or so (depending on your settings) sequentially untill you hit the shutter or the card runs.

The only way I have found to get longer than 1fps is to have a slow shutter speed... great for traffic shots and stuff.

It's not as good as a standard interavlometer, but for clouds, people, traffic etc, it's great and has alot less flicker than timelapse on a normal DSLR

Here is a demo (1080p/30fps - 15mb):
http://www.screenspro.com/uploads/timelapse.mov

Steve Mullen · November 28th, 2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Birch

there is a timelapse hack... it's not perfect, but ok.
Here is a demo (1080p/30fps - 15mb):
http://www.screenspro.com/uploads/timelapse.mov

WOW -- that's great and a really good tip!

I just ordered an F1.

I don't think any camera can do ALL the things the F1 can do. I'd love the Canon, but I am NOT going to spend that kind of money!

The Nikon may have a better written manual, but like all Nikon products it is crazy complex just for taking stills.

I'm also looking at making ExposureRoom movies. Do I really need super quality? I don't think so. Or, to put it another way -- I refuse to spend the money required for an Sony EX1.

Most of all, I want to return to 720p. It matches my computer power so much better than 1920x1080. Both iMovie 08 and Avid Media Composer work really well with 720p30.

Hopefully, we can all build a great user group here.

Jay Birch · November 28th, 2008, 08:16 AM

steve (or anyone else on here) If you want to make some cash from the F1, pm me. I am setting up a site to sell stock video, amongst other things... and the F1 has the right quality to sell very well as stock.

Andy Tejral · November 28th, 2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Birch

It's not as good as a standard interavlometer, but for clouds, people, traffic etc, it's great and has alot less flicker than timelapse on a normal DSLR

Yeah, that doesn't sound like it will work for me. I'll go back to lusting over a hpx170...

Daniel Thornton · November 28th, 2008, 03:52 PM

Steve.....Both Portrait or Night Scene both default to AWB but you can change this to any of the other settings and the F1 will use what you set.
I don't think that the discriptions that Casio is using for Movie mode are very good. I have been shooting in Night Scene for the MF it allows me to use. My full daylight video is excellent. The camera changes Iso, fstop and shutter speed depending on the lighting conditions. These settings are displayed when you push the shutter button half way. If the settings are in white, I assume the camera is using those setting. If the settings are displayed in orange, I assume the F1 didn't like what I set.

Also, I have noticed that the SD settings gives me a wider view when zoomed all the way out. Almost like the F1 is using all the sensor in SD. When I switch to HD or FHD at the same wide angle and bring the video into Sony Vegas the F1 is only using a portion of the frame? Also, the footage produced in SD by the F1 looks very clean.

Steve Mullen · November 28th, 2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Thornton

Also, I have noticed that the SD settings gives me a wider view when zoomed all the way out. Almost like the F1 is using all the sensor in SD. When I switch to HD or FHD at the same wide angle and bring the video into Sony Vegas the F1 is only using a portion of the frame? Also, the footage produced in SD by the F1 looks very clean.

It's been reported that in HD mode, full-wide is 45mm. On a 35mm camera a 50mm lens is considered Normal -- not Wide. A 0.7X adaptor would get you to 32mm which is an acceptable Wide.

Don't know if there is an adaptor available.

Steve Mullen · November 28th, 2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Birch

steve (or anyone else on here) If you want to make some cash from the F1, pm me. I am setting up a site to sell stock video, amongst other things... and the F1 has the right quality to sell very well as stock.

Interesting idea. Who do you think would be interested in the video?

Are you in Portugal? If so, how is the F1 being sold in Europe? Is it selling well? Do your units shoot 720p30 or 720p25?

Jay Birch · November 29th, 2008, 06:36 AM

Hi Steve, I owned a stock business selling stock video to web designers but recently sold to raise revenue for my next venture... it was a booming $7figure business and our next site launch will hopefully take it even further.

I don't want to break the house rules of the forum and look like I am spamming, so please pm me if you want further details.

Yea, i'm in Portugal (moved from england) the F1 is also 30p here (although it can output a stream in PAL, apparently)... 30fps suits me as 95% of stock sales are 30p. I'm the only person happy about the 30p on the canon 5d II!

Neither the F1 or the 5D II are selling too well here according to the camera store I buy from.... probably due to the 30fps rate. So I expect a 25fps upgrade for the 5D II, if Canon want to boost sales here. (I was told I was the first person to pre-order a 5dII and this is a big, europe wide store! 2nd only to Amazon)

Steve Mullen · November 29th, 2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Birch

30fps suits me as 95% of stock sales are 30p. I'm the only person happy about the 30p on the canon 5d II!

With a target of BD or the net -- shooting 24p is IMHO way out of date. Who's going to real film these days?

Without 2-3 pulldown judder to clue one to 24p, I'll bet VERY few can tell 30p/25p from 24p.

Yet, 30p/25p is so much simpler to work with!

Will contact you.

Jay Birch · November 29th, 2008, 07:24 AM

yea, I don't see massive differences to shooting 24p or 30p on my hvx

If the lighting, music, narative etc are done well, the frame rate is the least important issue for joe public.

Daniel Thornton · December 4th, 2008, 02:07 PM

FYI....here is a link to a program that can creates Best Shot modes for the Casio line of Cameras. It looks like they have an update that supports the EX-F1

BestMan Bestshot Editor

Jay Birch · December 4th, 2008, 02:15 PM

great link, i'll put that to the test

Steve Mullen · December 4th, 2008, 05:02 PM

My EX-F1 arrived today. A program to create BS is perfect addition. Not sure if the one you create can be used for video.

Daniel Thornton · December 5th, 2008, 07:23 AM

I noticed something about locking the AF . I could only get the AF-L to work in movie mode when I use the setting AF-L & AE-L together . When I use AF-L by itself it would reset when I pressed record. This was in Movie Mode – BS. Also if I had face detection enabled, the Side Focus button stop allowing changes between AF, Macro, Infinity, and MF.

November 28th, 2008, 04:39 AM	#46
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Amazing no time lapse built in. But, the is a wired remote available. I suspect it would be very simple to use this connection to fire off shots. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

December 4th, 2008, 02:07 PM	#57
Daniel Thornton Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 43	Casio EX-F1 FYI....here is a link to a program that can creates Best Shot modes for the Casio line of Cameras. It looks like they have an update that supports the EX-F1 BestMan Bestshot Editor

December 4th, 2008, 05:02 PM	#59
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	My EX-F1 arrived today. A program to create BS is perfect addition. Not sure if the one you create can be used for video. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c Last edited by Steve Mullen; December 4th, 2008 at 06:51 PM.

November 28th, 2008, 06:36 AM	#47
Jay Birch Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portimao Posts: 49	there is a timelapse hack... it's not perfect, but ok. Just set your camera to frameburst mode.... compose your shot, set the AE and focus... then, in the frame burst setting, set it to "Auto N". When you click the shutter, the camera will then take a shot every second or so (depending on your settings) sequentially untill you hit the shutter or the card runs. The only way I have found to get longer than 1fps is to have a slow shutter speed... great for traffic shots and stuff. It's not as good as a standard interavlometer, but for clouds, people, traffic etc, it's great and has alot less flicker than timelapse on a normal DSLR Here is a demo (1080p/30fps - 15mb): http://www.screenspro.com/uploads/timelapse.mov

November 28th, 2008, 08:16 AM	#49
Jay Birch Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portimao Posts: 49	steve (or anyone else on here) If you want to make some cash from the F1, pm me. I am setting up a site to sell stock video, amongst other things... and the F1 has the right quality to sell very well as stock.

November 28th, 2008, 03:52 PM	#51
Daniel Thornton Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 43	Steve.....Both Portrait or Night Scene both default to AWB but you can change this to any of the other settings and the F1 will use what you set. I don't think that the discriptions that Casio is using for Movie mode are very good. I have been shooting in Night Scene for the MF it allows me to use. My full daylight video is excellent. The camera changes Iso, fstop and shutter speed depending on the lighting conditions. These settings are displayed when you push the shutter button half way. If the settings are in white, I assume the camera is using those setting. If the settings are displayed in orange, I assume the F1 didn't like what I set. Also, I have noticed that the SD settings gives me a wider view when zoomed all the way out. Almost like the F1 is using all the sensor in SD. When I switch to HD or FHD at the same wide angle and bring the video into Sony Vegas the F1 is only using a portion of the frame? Also, the footage produced in SD by the F1 looks very clean.

November 29th, 2008, 06:36 AM	#54
Jay Birch Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portimao Posts: 49	Hi Steve, I owned a stock business selling stock video to web designers but recently sold to raise revenue for my next venture... it was a booming $7figure business and our next site launch will hopefully take it even further. I don't want to break the house rules of the forum and look like I am spamming, so please pm me if you want further details. Yea, i'm in Portugal (moved from england) the F1 is also 30p here (although it can output a stream in PAL, apparently)... 30fps suits me as 95% of stock sales are 30p. I'm the only person happy about the 30p on the canon 5d II! Neither the F1 or the 5D II are selling too well here according to the camera store I buy from.... probably due to the 30fps rate. So I expect a 25fps upgrade for the 5D II, if Canon want to boost sales here. (I was told I was the first person to pre-order a 5dII and this is a big, europe wide store! 2nd only to Amazon)

November 29th, 2008, 07:24 AM	#56
Jay Birch Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portimao Posts: 49	yea, I don't see massive differences to shooting 24p or 30p on my hvx If the lighting, music, narative etc are done well, the frame rate is the least important issue for joe public.

December 4th, 2008, 02:15 PM	#58
Jay Birch Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portimao Posts: 49	great link, i'll put that to the test

December 5th, 2008, 07:23 AM	#60
Daniel Thornton Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 43	I noticed something about locking the AF . I could only get the AF-L to work in movie mode when I use the setting AF-L & AE-L together . When I use AF-L by itself it would reset when I pressed record. This was in Movie Mode – BS. Also if I had face detection enabled, the Side Focus button stop allowing changes between AF, Macro, Infinity, and MF.