my frame rates are not working on the hvx 200 at DVinfo.net

Pete Alport · November 21st, 2006, 08:29 PM

i tried shooting 60 frames at 720/30p today and it did not work any help would be greatly appreciated.

Pete Alport · November 22nd, 2006, 06:43 PM

someone please help me.

Andrew Mcarrick · November 22nd, 2006, 06:58 PM

Did you shoot 30p or 30pN?.... In 30p, I believe you have to remove the redundant frames.

Chris Hurd · November 22nd, 2006, 07:44 PM

Moved from Open DV Discussion to HVX200 forum.

Mike Schrengohst · November 22nd, 2006, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Alport

someone please help me.

Go to MENU>
SCENE FILE>
OPERATION TYPE>FILM CAM
FRAME RATE>60

Use the buttons for the menu to change the frame rate

Pete Alport · November 22nd, 2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Mcarrick

Did you shoot 30p or 30pN?.... In 30p, I believe you have to remove the redundant frames.

how do you do this?

Pete Alport · November 22nd, 2006, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Schrengohst

Go to MENU>
SCENE FILE>
OPERATION TYPE>FILM CAM
FRAME RATE>60

Use the buttons for the menu to change the frame rate

i did this and nothing happens, the camera still shoots the same default way.

Andrew Mcarrick · November 23rd, 2006, 01:36 AM

In order to actually shoot 2 times slow motion to the cards you have to shoot 24pN or 30pN, then from there you set you Variable Frame Rate to 60p....If you shoot in 24p or 30p, you're going to be shooting two (for 30p) sets of each frame or 2.5 (for 24p) of each frame. In order to do that, you have to remove the frame rates in post. That's the difference between pN and just p...... pN records exactly the amount of frames you shoot. p records 60p reguardless of what frame rate you choose to shoot at.....
If you shot 30p with a double over crank at 60p, then you're looking at 60p @ 30p over 60p. So you're getting 2:1 and then recording two times the choosen frame rate because the camera records at 60p no matter what, unless you're using pN(ative). So you're final frame rate comparision is 2 (over-crank):1(frame rate):2 (recording speed). What you have to do is get that 2 at the recording speed to 1. So you need to remove the redundant Frame Rates. I thought importing into a 30p timeline automatically took care of that.

And to double check, you are shooting 720p right? Not 1080.

For a better explaination, look at the following website:
http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/framerates/

I have to say, I personally don't own this camera. Actually, never touched one. I want to, just can't afford it. However, you'll find that the information above, is backed up by the things said in that website.

Mike Schrengohst · November 23rd, 2006, 07:34 AM

Andrew is correct.....
Plus if you change to speed and then turn the camera
off it will go back to the default setting.
You can save the scene file if you need
to keep shooting at 60 fps.....

Pete Alport · November 24th, 2006, 09:33 AM

thanks everyone a ton. so i won't see the the 60p until i take it to post? i thought the images would be in slowmo during the playback in the camera, much like the timelapses when shot with "Interval" mode.

i don't understand how to take out the frames while editing in post to achieve the slowmotion. before i had this camera to slowmo i just went to "speed" and chose a percentage. according to the manual for hvx200, the higher frame rates should give you an image on playback in the camera; i don't see this when in the field nor do i see it when i bring it to post.

rggggggh.
a little more help please? i will go check the website posted earlier in this thread.

Barry Green · November 24th, 2006, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Alport

thanks everyone a ton. so i won't see the the 60p until i take it to post? i thought the images would be in slowmo during the playback in the camera, much like the timelapses when shot with "Interval" mode.

If you shoot on the cards, you will see the effect immediately. If you shoot on the firestore, no -- you have to process it in post. Version 3.0 of the firestore firmware should rectify that.

Andrew Mcarrick · November 24th, 2006, 04:15 PM

But if he shoots 30p and not 30pN he wouldn't see it from the cards either right?

Barry Green · November 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM

That is correct, you'd have to shoot 30pN to see the effect. If you shoot 30P you can run the Apple Frame Rate Converter to extract the duplicate frames in post, but you can't see the effect in-camera from 720/30P mode. You'd have to use 30pN (or 24pN).

November 21st, 2006, 08:29 PM	#1
Pete Alport New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 5	my frame rates are not working on the hvx 200 i tried shooting 60 frames at 720/30p today and it did not work any help would be greatly appreciated.

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November 23rd, 2006, 07:34 AM	#9
Mike Schrengohst Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355	Andrew is correct..... Plus if you change to speed and then turn the camera off it will go back to the default setting. You can save the scene file if you need to keep shooting at 60 fps..... __________________ Mike Schrengohst dvd.pro@verizon.net

November 22nd, 2006, 06:43 PM	#2
Pete Alport New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 5	someone please help me.

November 22nd, 2006, 06:58 PM	#3
Andrew Mcarrick New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey Posts: 21	Did you shoot 30p or 30pN?.... In 30p, I believe you have to remove the redundant frames.

November 23rd, 2006, 01:36 AM	#8
Andrew Mcarrick New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey Posts: 21	In order to actually shoot 2 times slow motion to the cards you have to shoot 24pN or 30pN, then from there you set you Variable Frame Rate to 60p....If you shoot in 24p or 30p, you're going to be shooting two (for 30p) sets of each frame or 2.5 (for 24p) of each frame. In order to do that, you have to remove the frame rates in post. That's the difference between pN and just p...... pN records exactly the amount of frames you shoot. p records 60p reguardless of what frame rate you choose to shoot at..... If you shot 30p with a double over crank at 60p, then you're looking at 60p @ 30p over 60p. So you're getting 2:1 and then recording two times the choosen frame rate because the camera records at 60p no matter what, unless you're using pN(ative). So you're final frame rate comparision is 2 (over-crank):1(frame rate):2 (recording speed). What you have to do is get that 2 at the recording speed to 1. So you need to remove the redundant Frame Rates. I thought importing into a 30p timeline automatically took care of that. And to double check, you are shooting 720p right? Not 1080. For a better explaination, look at the following website: http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/framerates/ I have to say, I personally don't own this camera. Actually, never touched one. I want to, just can't afford it. However, you'll find that the information above, is backed up by the things said in that website.

November 24th, 2006, 09:33 AM	#10
Pete Alport New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 5	thanks everyone a ton. so i won't see the the 60p until i take it to post? i thought the images would be in slowmo during the playback in the camera, much like the timelapses when shot with "Interval" mode. i don't understand how to take out the frames while editing in post to achieve the slowmotion. before i had this camera to slowmo i just went to "speed" and chose a percentage. according to the manual for hvx200, the higher frame rates should give you an image on playback in the camera; i don't see this when in the field nor do i see it when i bring it to post. rggggggh. a little more help please? i will go check the website posted earlier in this thread.

November 24th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#12
Andrew Mcarrick New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey Posts: 21	But if he shoots 30p and not 30pN he wouldn't see it from the cards either right?

November 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM	#13
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	That is correct, you'd have to shoot 30pN to see the effect. If you shoot 30P you can run the Apple Frame Rate Converter to extract the duplicate frames in post, but you can't see the effect in-camera from 720/30P mode. You'd have to use 30pN (or 24pN).