Portable P2 Deck - Mockup at DVExpo

Robert Lane · November 17th, 2006, 08:31 PM

If the correct pricing is truely "under $5k" then I'll pass. That would make it similar in pricing and concept as what Sony did when the Z1 came out; they offered a stand-alone HDV deck that was basically the FX1 in a shell minus the camera portion - and sold it for about $500 less than the camera. It even used the same batts as the cameras for portability. Most people just bought a second camera and used it as a capture deck rather than buying a "deck only" version.

That's what this device seems to be; an "HVX in a box" minus the camera portion and to me the "under $5k" pricing doesn't make sense.

There is another P2 deck device that would make sense (I can't remember the model or price) but it's more for ENG crews that need in-the-field edit capabilites not tied to an NLE. I'm sure that deck is around $10k, but it's worlds apart in capabilities from this device.

Sergio Perez · November 22nd, 2006, 01:40 AM

Robert, they are adding HD-SDI out! That's probably where the extra money went! (Joke)

Seriously, tough, I would only buy this item if it could do one thing: preview my backed up data on a firewire drive trough its screen. That way, maybe one could use the deck as a monitoring device, like a matrox MXO, to serve as a passtrough device from firewire to a Component or HD-SDI monitor. And it would be great for reviewing footage on the field- Just connect the firewire drive and see the contents on a portable lcd or the deck screen. If it had these functions, I would certainly think about buying it. But at a 1000 or 1200 pricepoint, nothing more.

Ash Greyson · November 22nd, 2006, 02:10 AM

No way this is $400 - $500. The P2 store is a silly price for what you get, it should have this functionality already built in. I suspect this will be closer to $2k. Not sure I really get why you would need it when a nice laptop would do the same thing and give you a much bigger screen...

ash =o)

Fernando Orozco · December 1st, 2006, 09:53 AM

Man, I will be happy if this lil' fella can only playback trough HD-SDI, or even w/o th HD-SDI will be awesome, in my company we do a lot of field production and we need to monitor each take we make, with this our productions will be cool!

P.D. sorry for my lousy english, I'm just too excited aobut this deck.

Zsolt Gordos · December 2nd, 2006, 06:00 PM

Its funny why some generic maker wont come out with a P2 card (unless putting SD card in a PCMCIA shell is patent protected for Panasonic).

I dont think it is such a big deal. SD memory cards are super cheap these days at 2Gb. 4 or 8 surely fits in a PCMCIA shell.

Any gadget developer hear me? :) Super business at the pricepoint around $400 for 8 Gb....

Fernando Orozco · December 2nd, 2006, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsolt Gordos

Its funny why some generic maker wont come out with a P2 card (unless putting SD card in a PCMCIA shell is patent protected for Panasonic).

I dont think it is such a big deal. SD memory cards are super cheap these days at 2Gb. 4 or 8 surely fits in a PCMCIA shell.

Any gadget developer hear me? :) Super business at the pricepoint around $400 for 8 Gb....

I don't think that put 4 o 8 SD cards in a PCMCIA shell would be easy, remember that panasonic's P2 tecnologic says that they put 4 (I don't know, maybe more or less) SD cards in some form of RAID for performance. Maybe as you say that would be easy for us (consumers) to adquire generics P2 cards for less money, but is panasonics decission.

Chris Hurd · December 9th, 2006, 01:11 PM

There is a *lot* more going on inside a P2 array than just four SD memory cards.

Mike Schrengohst · December 9th, 2006, 01:38 PM

And they work....
I have not had one problem with P2....
Of course you could always contact Panasonic
and see if you can get a license to manufacture
P2 cards. It is done for thousands of products.....
Or design and make a device like the Firestore....
I take the products that are here and make money with
them today. It is incredible that cameras are where they
are since I started rolling B&W videotape using 1/2"
reel to reel tapes in 1977.
And my sons will probably live on the next moonbase in 20 years.....

Robert Lane · December 9th, 2006, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Schrengohst

...And my sons will probably live on the next moonbase in 20 years.....

Yeah, I wanna be there to get stock footage of them playing micro-gravity golf! (^_*)

Mike Schrengohst · December 9th, 2006, 03:05 PM

Your invited!!

Martin Iverson · December 9th, 2006, 10:38 PM

The moon is so 1970's. Everybody know Mars is where the future action in video is going to be. Why do you think they named it the "Red" Camera? As if!

Mike Schrengohst · December 9th, 2006, 10:47 PM

You need a solid base before you go to RED.....

November 22nd, 2006, 01:40 AM	#17
Sergio Perez Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 331	Robert, they are adding HD-SDI out! That's probably where the extra money went! (Joke) Seriously, tough, I would only buy this item if it could do one thing: preview my backed up data on a firewire drive trough its screen. That way, maybe one could use the deck as a monitoring device, like a matrox MXO, to serve as a passtrough device from firewire to a Component or HD-SDI monitor. And it would be great for reviewing footage on the field- Just connect the firewire drive and see the contents on a portable lcd or the deck screen. If it had these functions, I would certainly think about buying it. But at a 1000 or 1200 pricepoint, nothing more. __________________ If you don't believe in your film, no one else will.

December 9th, 2006, 01:11 PM	#22
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	There is a lot more going on inside a P2 array than just four SD memory cards. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 9th, 2006, 01:38 PM	#23
Mike Schrengohst Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355	And they work.... I have not had one problem with P2.... Of course you could always contact Panasonic and see if you can get a license to manufacture P2 cards. It is done for thousands of products..... Or design and make a device like the Firestore.... I take the products that are here and make money with them today. It is incredible that cameras are where they are since I started rolling B&W videotape using 1/2" reel to reel tapes in 1977. And my sons will probably live on the next moonbase in 20 years..... __________________ Mike Schrengohst dvd.pro@verizon.net

December 9th, 2006, 03:05 PM	#25
Mike Schrengohst Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355	Your invited!! __________________ Mike Schrengohst dvd.pro@verizon.net

December 9th, 2006, 10:47 PM	#27
Mike Schrengohst Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355	You need a solid base before you go to RED..... __________________ Mike Schrengohst dvd.pro@verizon.net

November 17th, 2006, 08:31 PM	#16
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,825 Images: 15	If the correct pricing is truely "under $5k" then I'll pass. That would make it similar in pricing and concept as what Sony did when the Z1 came out; they offered a stand-alone HDV deck that was basically the FX1 in a shell minus the camera portion - and sold it for about $500 less than the camera. It even used the same batts as the cameras for portability. Most people just bought a second camera and used it as a capture deck rather than buying a "deck only" version. That's what this device seems to be; an "HVX in a box" minus the camera portion and to me the "under $5k" pricing doesn't make sense. There is another P2 deck device that would make sense (I can't remember the model or price) but it's more for ENG crews that need in-the-field edit capabilites not tied to an NLE. I'm sure that deck is around $10k, but it's worlds apart in capabilities from this device.

November 22nd, 2006, 02:10 AM	#18
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	No way this is $400 - $500. The P2 store is a silly price for what you get, it should have this functionality already built in. I suspect this will be closer to $2k. Not sure I really get why you would need it when a nice laptop would do the same thing and give you a much bigger screen... ash =o)

December 1st, 2006, 09:53 AM	#19
Fernando Orozco Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colombia Posts: 26	Man, I will be happy if this lil' fella can only playback trough HD-SDI, or even w/o th HD-SDI will be awesome, in my company we do a lot of field production and we need to monitor each take we make, with this our productions will be cool! P.D. sorry for my lousy english, I'm just too excited aobut this deck.

December 2nd, 2006, 06:00 PM	#20
Zsolt Gordos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 414	Its funny why some generic maker wont come out with a P2 card (unless putting SD card in a PCMCIA shell is patent protected for Panasonic). I dont think it is such a big deal. SD memory cards are super cheap these days at 2Gb. 4 or 8 surely fits in a PCMCIA shell. Any gadget developer hear me? :) Super business at the pricepoint around $400 for 8 Gb....

December 9th, 2006, 10:38 PM	#26
Martin Iverson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Anacortes, WA Posts: 78	The moon is so 1970's. Everybody know Mars is where the future action in video is going to be. Why do you think they named it the "Red" Camera? As if!