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November 2nd, 2006, 07:22 AM
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does the hvx200...?
record HD on to miniDV as well as the P2 cards? because $1200 for a card that only holds 16 min of footage seems a little pointless to me...you would need to spend thousands of $ just on the cards... thanks for the help....
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November 2nd, 2006, 07:41 AM
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November 2nd, 2006, 08:12 AM
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4 gig cards are about $450 now. In the 720 24pN mode you can record 10 min per card. You set-up a work flow and dump your cards to a computer or a device like the P2 store. The alternative is HDV tape. We tested all major HDV cameras and where not happy with the results of shooting 60i or any of the other pseudo 24F modes. We are shooting, editing and delivering HD now, using HVX200's. We have rented VariCam and HDCAM in the past but the $500 per day deck rentals to digitize footage was always a killer. We have been using the Avel HD players to deliver deliver signage for a major university and a large hospital. The difference between the results we are getting vs. if we had produced these shows on SD is a big difference. We are now editing a show that will be synced up and shown on 5 50" plasma screens at a college visitors center. We are using MPEG2 appliances for playback and again the difference between HD and SD is something our non-techie type customers can see. |
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November 2nd, 2006, 09:16 AM
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ok so then the camaras like canon a1 which records HD onto miniDV tapes arn't as good ?
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November 2nd, 2006, 09:31 AM
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You mean HDV...I did not say they were not as good.
To each his own. Interlaced footage on progressive displays does not look good. We tested each camera and found the 720 and 1080p modes of the HVX delivered the best picture for what we were producing.....If we did have the budgets we would shoot VariCam but on week long shoots I can pay off my HVX in short order vs. renting an entire VariCam package for $1000 per day. This one project did have some VariCam shots in it that another crew did and the HVX footage matched up very well. The HVX is not for everyone.... long form docs where you need hours & hours of interview footage or are shooting in places where power is at a premium could be a challenge with the HVX.... There are devices like the Firestore that allow much longer HD record times than the P2 card allows are also available. |
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November 2nd, 2006, 10:03 AM
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There are great resources for both at www.dvinfo.net...If you're considering the $7K+ investment of an HVX200, it will be worth your time to do the research.
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November 2nd, 2006, 10:05 AM
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ok so you can use other external drives like firestore with this camara as well...and it will still capture good quality HD like the P2 cards?
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November 2nd, 2006, 10:12 AM
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Yes, the only limitation with the Hard Drive recording devices is that you cannot record in the native 24pN frame rate as you can with the P2 cards. However you should check that out as well, I remember reading somewhere about some new firmware updates that address this issue.....
Either way like the last poster stated: It would be a good idea to do some research and try to see footage from all the cameras first hand and get an understanding of the post-production workflows of each. |
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November 2nd, 2006, 08:56 PM
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Now you can get an HVX with an 8gb P2 card free if purchased in the US. This means 5220 dollars with one 8gb card. If you get two extra cards, which are selling for 1100 USD, you'll be with a budget of 7420 dollars. Add a P2 store, which should be 1600 or less, and the totall would be aprox 9000 USD. With this setup, you can have continuous long form recording on the HVX. And the price should be equal to the Canon XL-H1. And you'll be working in DVCPRO-HD, which is 4:2:2 color compared to HDV's 4:2:0.
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November 2nd, 2006, 09:11 PM
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November 2nd, 2006, 10:53 PM
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If you can, try them both. But don't judge the picture from the camera's lcd's. I love my HVX. Compared to a SOny Z1 and JVC H100, which I tried and saw, the HVX is better imagewise.
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November 2nd, 2006, 11:15 PM
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Meanwhile, I'm closing this thread. Everything in here has *already* been discussed on this forum *numerous* times in the past. Sorry but I just don't have very much patience on this issue. It's been done. Many times. Please, please, please *read* the topics in this forum and read my P2 Articles section. It's linked in the blue bar at the top of the page. Once again: P2 Frequently. Asked. Questions. http://www.p2info.net/p2faq.php Thread closed! |
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