HVX-200 as 2nd unit to a Varicam at DVinfo.net

Andrew McCarrick · April 23rd, 2006, 10:06 AM

Would the hvx-200 (with a 35mm lense adapter) match up to the Varicam in comparision? I'm going to be shooting a feature, for theatrical release (hopefully) and was going to use 3 or 4 Varicams to shoot multiple angles at one time. Now if the HVX-200 would match up close enough I'll drop the 4th varicam and use two or three HVX-200s in addition to the 3 varicams.

What do you guys think... Could the HVX come close enough to the Varicam for it to work on the big screen?

(So I guess the title should be 4th, 5th and 6th unit.)

Mathieu Ghekiere · April 23rd, 2006, 10:34 AM

Maybe you'll have a problem with low light and noise, but besides that, I think you could match both.

Andrew McCarrick · April 23rd, 2006, 11:55 AM

The smaller CCD won't cause problems?

Mathieu Ghekiere · April 23rd, 2006, 02:31 PM

Well it could give more noise and more problems with low light, it needs more light, but besides that, I think you can match them, if you pay a bit attention to it.
HVX would give a bit less detail. Don't know if dynamic range would be less. But I'm sure that, as a b-camera, it can be used.
Can't you perform a test on forehand to be sure?

Shane Ross · April 24th, 2006, 10:11 PM

I have intercut both and they cut together well. The Varicam is a bit sharper (better lens) and does better in low light (larger CCDs), but when we did a test and sent it to the History Channel engineers, they couldn't tell the difference. We had to submit footage with labels as to what was what so they could tell.

Barry Green · April 26th, 2006, 12:40 AM

Playing with them both at NAB, shooting the same set, that sounds about right. They're really surprisingly close. VariCam definitely looks sharper, but overall colorimetry and "look" is close indeed. Obviously the VariCam can deliver a shallower DOF as well, and is cleaner in noise, but the difference in image is a lot closer than the price tags would indicate.

Michael Totten · April 27th, 2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew McCarrick

Would the hvx-200 (with a 35mm lense adapter) match up to the Varicam in comparision? I'm going to be shooting a feature, for theatrical release (hopefully) and was going to use 3 or 4 Varicams to shoot multiple angles at one time. Now if the HVX-200 would match up close enough I'll drop the 4th varicam and use two or three HVX-200s in addition to the 3 varicams.

What do you guys think... Could the HVX come close enough to the Varicam for it to work on the big screen?

(So I guess the title should be 4th, 5th and 6th unit.)

I'm on a Varicam/HVX feature right now.
Originally we intended to use the HVX to cut together with the Varicam but we determined that the footage from the HVX was too noisy to match. Of course everybodies idea of what matches differs.

A 1/3" CCD's and a fixed lens just can't do what 2/3" and expensive glass can do. I'm sure you could sneak a shot in here or there but I wouldn't suggest using it as your main "B" cam.

We decided to use the HVX solely for "flashbacks" and maybe some expressionistic point of view footage.

Andrew McCarrick · April 30th, 2006, 08:26 PM

I'm thinking about dropping the Varicams and going with SDX900s..... Would the HVX-200 match up to this or would it surpass it ? How would the 900s transfer to film?

Shane Ross · April 30th, 2006, 09:40 PM

Can't directly say anything about that camera, as it isn't out yet. But I am pretty sure that that camera will blow away the HVX, as the Varicam does. Really the only difference between it and the Varicam is the lack of a tape drive. Still has the 2/3" chips opposed to the 1/3" chips on the HVX...still the better lens that you can swap out for higher end models...better than the HVX built in.

They would transfer to film as you would anything...provide a file that the place doing the transfer asks for. If you shoot 24PN, then you are 24 full frames so it should transfer nicely.

Andrew McCarrick · May 1st, 2006, 09:17 AM

As far as I know the Panasonic SDX900 is out..... according to the panny website it just dropped 11,000 dollars in price too. And I meant how well would it transfer to film... visually... I know I'll get a better picture from the Varicam but will the SDX900 be suitable for a 35mm print?

Ash Greyson · May 1st, 2006, 03:23 PM

Yes, the SDX looks terrific when upped to 35mm... I believe they go to HDCAM first, then to 35mm VERY IMPRESSIVE FOOTAGE!

ash =o)

April 23rd, 2006, 10:06 AM	#1
Andrew McCarrick Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, USA Posts: 28	HVX-200 as 2nd unit to a Varicam Would the hvx-200 (with a 35mm lense adapter) match up to the Varicam in comparision? I'm going to be shooting a feature, for theatrical release (hopefully) and was going to use 3 or 4 Varicams to shoot multiple angles at one time. Now if the HVX-200 would match up close enough I'll drop the 4th varicam and use two or three HVX-200s in addition to the 3 varicams. What do you guys think... Could the HVX come close enough to the Varicam for it to work on the big screen? (So I guess the title should be 4th, 5th and 6th unit.)

April 23rd, 2006, 10:34 AM	#2
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	Maybe you'll have a problem with low light and noise, but besides that, I think you could match both. __________________ http://productionsofthe3rdkind.com http://pr3k.com

April 23rd, 2006, 02:31 PM	#4
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	Well it could give more noise and more problems with low light, it needs more light, but besides that, I think you can match them, if you pay a bit attention to it. HVX would give a bit less detail. Don't know if dynamic range would be less. But I'm sure that, as a b-camera, it can be used. Can't you perform a test on forehand to be sure? __________________ http://productionsofthe3rdkind.com http://pr3k.com

April 23rd, 2006, 11:55 AM	#3
Andrew McCarrick Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, USA Posts: 28	The smaller CCD won't cause problems?

April 24th, 2006, 10:11 PM	#5
Shane Ross Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 539	I have intercut both and they cut together well. The Varicam is a bit sharper (better lens) and does better in low light (larger CCDs), but when we did a test and sent it to the History Channel engineers, they couldn't tell the difference. We had to submit footage with labels as to what was what so they could tell.

April 26th, 2006, 12:40 AM	#6
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Playing with them both at NAB, shooting the same set, that sounds about right. They're really surprisingly close. VariCam definitely looks sharper, but overall colorimetry and "look" is close indeed. Obviously the VariCam can deliver a shallower DOF as well, and is cleaner in noise, but the difference in image is a lot closer than the price tags would indicate.

April 30th, 2006, 08:26 PM	#8
Andrew McCarrick Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, USA Posts: 28	I'm thinking about dropping the Varicams and going with SDX900s..... Would the HVX-200 match up to this or would it surpass it ? How would the 900s transfer to film?

April 30th, 2006, 09:40 PM	#9
Shane Ross Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 539	Can't directly say anything about that camera, as it isn't out yet. But I am pretty sure that that camera will blow away the HVX, as the Varicam does. Really the only difference between it and the Varicam is the lack of a tape drive. Still has the 2/3" chips opposed to the 1/3" chips on the HVX...still the better lens that you can swap out for higher end models...better than the HVX built in. They would transfer to film as you would anything...provide a file that the place doing the transfer asks for. If you shoot 24PN, then you are 24 full frames so it should transfer nicely.

May 1st, 2006, 09:17 AM	#10
Andrew McCarrick Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, USA Posts: 28	As far as I know the Panasonic SDX900 is out..... according to the panny website it just dropped 11,000 dollars in price too. And I meant how well would it transfer to film... visually... I know I'll get a better picture from the Varicam but will the SDX900 be suitable for a 35mm print?

May 1st, 2006, 03:23 PM	#11
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Yes, the SDX looks terrific when upped to 35mm... I believe they go to HDCAM first, then to 35mm VERY IMPRESSIVE FOOTAGE! ash =o)