monitoring from MacBook Pro at DVinfo.net

Scott Auerbach · February 16th, 2006, 09:32 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but having always been an Avid guy, I'm still at the "sticking my toes in the water" part of figuring out how I'll make an HVX and FCP5 work. At this point, my plan was to load FCP on a new MacBookPro, and have external mass SATA storage on a PCIexpress/34 card for the throughput. So the question I have is: what's the best way to get video out to a broadcast monitor, since a Kona would use the same PCIe slot that the external drives are on. (And while we're at it, since I don't need to worry about the capture side of things with P2 data transfer, is there a cheaper, video-out-only solution? Or would I regret not having Kona's additional RT processing power?)

Robert Lane · February 16th, 2006, 10:00 PM

Scott,

I think you've got your hardware confused. The MacBook Pro is not a tower, it's a laptop. You can't connect a KONA card to a laptop. PCI-X or PCIe slots are strictly the domain of towers.

As for Express Card/34 adapters the only thing I've seen so far (and it's not on the market yet) are CF card adapters, nothing to connect external drives - not yet anyway.

The video-out solution on a MacBook Pro is one of it's shortcomings; it's the reason why many of us are lamenting the loss of an S-Video out port.

Keep in mind the Universal version of FCP is not shipping yet and nobody knows just how it will react in the Rosetta environment in the MacBook Pro until users get it and have time to test it. I'd say you've got at least 4-6 months before that combination will have ample time to prove itself as a stable platform.

If you want to use a laptop-type configuration for capturing and to have video output options other than DVI connectivity you'd need a PowerBook, but get one fast since they're no longer in production and most retailers have or are running out of stock.

Cassidy Bisher · February 17th, 2006, 11:00 AM

I was trying to do the DVCproHD firewire way yesterday. I couldn't get it to work. I had the HVX200 hooked up to the powerbook with the 1394 firewire cable. Then had the S-Video cable connected from the HVX200 a broadcast monitor. This was the set up that worked with the Canon XL2. But the xl2 had "VCR mode" where as the HVX has "Thumbnail" mode. I don't know what setting I have to have the HVX200 on to edit footage on my powerbook and see it back on my monitor, can anyone help me?

Scott Auerbach · February 17th, 2006, 01:03 PM

Didn't have my Mac hardware confused, but I did have my cards confused. Thanks. I knew that Kona was a PCIexpress, which I thought was the same as Express/34. Nope. Thanks for the heads-up on that.

I was aware of the usefulness of the current Powerbook, but thought the MacBookPro might have the same capability shortly with the availability of more 34 cards. (The Express34 external drive card is expected in the next 4-8 weeks, I'm told)

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Originally Posted by Robert Lane

Scott,

I think you've got your hardware confused. The MacBook Pro is not a tower, it's a laptop. You can't connect a KONA card to a laptop. PCI-X or PCIe slots are strictly the domain of towers.

As for Express Card/34 adapters the only thing I've seen so far (and it's not on the market yet) are CF card adapters, nothing to connect external drives - not yet anyway.

If you want to use a laptop-type configuration for capturing and to have video output options other than DVI connectivity you'd need a PowerBook, but get one fast since they're no longer in production and most retailers have or are running out of stock.

Barry Green · February 18th, 2006, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassidy Bisher

I was trying to do the DVCproHD firewire way yesterday. I couldn't get it to work. I had the HVX200 hooked up to the powerbook with the 1394 firewire cable. Then had the S-Video cable connected from the HVX200 a broadcast monitor. This was the set up that worked with the Canon XL2. But the xl2 had "VCR mode" where as the HVX has "Thumbnail" mode. I don't know what setting I have to have the HVX200 on to edit footage on my powerbook and see it back on my monitor, can anyone help me?

It will work the way you describe; you just have to turn the thumbnail screen off. There's a button on top of the camera that lets you do this.

Note: this will work for firewire input/s-video output. Won't work for component output.

Cassidy Bisher · February 18th, 2006, 08:44 AM

Thanks Barry, I will try this..

Jaser Stockert · February 18th, 2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry Green

It will work the way you describe; you just have to turn the thumbnail screen off. There's a button on top of the camera that lets you do this.

Note: this will work for firewire input/s-video output. Won't work for component output.

wow, you'd think it would make more sense to also view via component out to a production monitor since this camera is mainly marketed as a HD camera. are there any other workarounds for realtime previews from fcp to a monitor w/ component inputs? barry, you think this can be easily remedied w/ a future firmware update? i know w/ a G5 tower, purchase an aja or decklink card to accomplish this but what about us powerbook users?

Cassidy Bisher · February 18th, 2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaser Stockert

wow, you'd think it would make more sense to also view via component out to a production monitor since this camera is mainly marketed as a HD camera.

Yes, that would be great, we have a high def sony monitor and I am uncertain what the correct way to hook this up would be. I can always use an S.D monitor and edit in letter box box mode, but to edit and "see" HD would be great.

Jaser Stockert · February 21st, 2006, 04:26 PM

noah over at the cow forum says it is possible viewing w/ a hd monitor via component out. is this true? i have a sony pvm-14L5 which shows full rez hd so i'm wondering if i can have realtime previewing from final cut pro. i don't have the camera yet. anyone can confirm this? thanks.

Cassidy Bisher · February 21st, 2006, 08:20 PM

yes it does have a component out... the camera comes with a new color code.. instead of red, white and yellow inputs for traditional SD video, the colors come in red, green and blue inputs...

This is the only image that i could find online.. although it doesn't look exactly like this it's really close..

http://bluejeanscable.com/store/rgbhv/hd153rca.jpg

February 16th, 2006, 09:32 PM	#1
Scott Auerbach Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 291	monitoring from MacBook Pro Pardon my ignorance, but having always been an Avid guy, I'm still at the "sticking my toes in the water" part of figuring out how I'll make an HVX and FCP5 work. At this point, my plan was to load FCP on a new MacBookPro, and have external mass SATA storage on a PCIexpress/34 card for the throughput. So the question I have is: what's the best way to get video out to a broadcast monitor, since a Kona would use the same PCIe slot that the external drives are on. (And while we're at it, since I don't need to worry about the capture side of things with P2 data transfer, is there a cheaper, video-out-only solution? Or would I regret not having Kona's additional RT processing power?)

February 16th, 2006, 10:00 PM	#2
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,825 Images: 15	Scott, I think you've got your hardware confused. The MacBook Pro is not a tower, it's a laptop. You can't connect a KONA card to a laptop. PCI-X or PCIe slots are strictly the domain of towers. As for Express Card/34 adapters the only thing I've seen so far (and it's not on the market yet) are CF card adapters, nothing to connect external drives - not yet anyway. The video-out solution on a MacBook Pro is one of it's shortcomings; it's the reason why many of us are lamenting the loss of an S-Video out port. Keep in mind the Universal version of FCP is not shipping yet and nobody knows just how it will react in the Rosetta environment in the MacBook Pro until users get it and have time to test it. I'd say you've got at least 4-6 months before that combination will have ample time to prove itself as a stable platform. If you want to use a laptop-type configuration for capturing and to have video output options other than DVI connectivity you'd need a PowerBook, but get one fast since they're no longer in production and most retailers have or are running out of stock.

February 17th, 2006, 11:00 AM	#3
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	I was trying to do the DVCproHD firewire way yesterday. I couldn't get it to work. I had the HVX200 hooked up to the powerbook with the 1394 firewire cable. Then had the S-Video cable connected from the HVX200 a broadcast monitor. This was the set up that worked with the Canon XL2. But the xl2 had "VCR mode" where as the HVX has "Thumbnail" mode. I don't know what setting I have to have the HVX200 on to edit footage on my powerbook and see it back on my monitor, can anyone help me?

February 18th, 2006, 08:44 AM	#6
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	Thanks Barry, I will try this..

February 21st, 2006, 04:26 PM	#9
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	noah over at the cow forum says it is possible viewing w/ a hd monitor via component out. is this true? i have a sony pvm-14L5 which shows full rez hd so i'm wondering if i can have realtime previewing from final cut pro. i don't have the camera yet. anyone can confirm this? thanks.

February 21st, 2006, 08:20 PM	#10
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	yes it does have a component out... the camera comes with a new color code.. instead of red, white and yellow inputs for traditional SD video, the colors come in red, green and blue inputs... This is the only image that i could find online.. although it doesn't look exactly like this it's really close.. http://bluejeanscable.com/store/rgbhv/hd153rca.jpg