HVX200 used for Spielberg's "Munich"

David Mintzer · February 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter Graff

And since the movie already opened overseas January 30, 2006 it would be interesting to know what exactly he supposedly shot that was actually in a movie that is already distributed?

Fact is, he is doing an add-on to the film---you know like the making-of type of thing.

Barry Green · February 9th, 2006, 08:53 PM

Actually, Jarred just clarified what it was. They had to edit a nude scene with a pregnant woman for release in the middle east. Her belly and legs needed to be covered up. So they shot a bed on a greenscreen, used a body double, pulled the sheets up to cover up her legs etc., then motion-tracked the shot on top of the film and composited it together.

So yes, the HVX footage will be incorporated in the theatrical film release in the middle east.

Walter Graff · February 9th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Yea I guess you are right. I didn't see right. I thought Barry said he shot pick ups for the actual film.

Walter Graff · February 9th, 2006, 08:57 PM

"So yes, the HVX footage will be used in the theatrical film release in the middle east."

Thanks for the clarification Barry. Good for Jarred. Seems like his move to California is off to a good start. LA is a tough place.

John Hudson · February 9th, 2006, 09:30 PM

Walter

It appears the first Middle East release date is set for:

Egypt March 2006

I hope we get to see the work on the final print ? I'd love to see the finished frame one day.

Sergio Perez · February 9th, 2006, 09:38 PM

It would be so much easier if one of us talented, aspiring film makers from this and other boards just put our HVX's Xl-h1, H100's and z1's at work and start doing great feature stuff- stuff nomitaded for awards- and then post them here for everyone to see... Maybe then we could have a potential "better camera"... But... On the other hand... Didn't a documentary shot with the DVX was nomitaded for an Academy award? Didn't Supersize me, shot with the PD-150, won at Sundance? Didn't 28 days After received global comercial success as a Fiction film, shot with the XL1?

It's up to us and our talent (as well as our team- don't forget the team!) that great films are made. Any of these cameras is capable of a High resolution image, and a good Cinema Blow up. Michael Pappas was impressed with the HVX Big Screen showing, as well as many others where impressed with the Canon Xl1, JVC H100 and Sony Z1 bigscreen showings. What does this mean? They are very, very close to each other.

Like Chris Hurd said, it all sums up to what camera you feel more confortable with, and what functions you want from the camera. It's not unlike current NLE's, like someone pointed out. They are starting to be sold as packages and not as single editing units, just because they are in their core very similar

I'm a dvx user for 2 years. I know it like the palm of my hand. The HVX from reports works just like it. I'm quite confident in being able to deliver great images with the Machine. The rest is up to my vision, actors and team.

John Hudson · February 9th, 2006, 09:43 PM

That's a nice take Sergio

I cannot emphasize the team element any more. Let's make more content and less dribble !

Walter Graff · February 9th, 2006, 10:02 PM

"It appears the first Middle East release date is set for:

Egypt March 2006

I hope we get to see the work on the final print ? I'd love to see the finished frame one day."

Thanks John for the date.

I wonder though if folks worry too much about a camera and not other factors. I can show you ten things all shot with various cameras but it's often never the camera itself that tells you much about the final product. So much hype was presented for the HVX in the beginning and the let down for many was because they worried too much about the hammer and not the blueprint.

But the reality is the HVX can make a great picture. So can most any camera in the right hands. I sure wish folks talked more about the methods then all the tech numbers that tell you a very insignificant part about the camera. There are so many folks out there who spend day and night talking about how a camera is or what it can do and rarely are their discussions about what the people can do. Perhaps the marketing of these cameras has created that atmosphere. It's a shame. Look at resources. I mean real creative resources. There are so many folks dying to learn more but so few places to do that. Very few videos and books cover very few topics to m help folks develop their artistry. Instead its about silly shootouts that split hairs rather than content in many of these magazines that folks can take home and get something appreciable out of. Ten years ago I saw many more articles that were learning articles and commentary, and/or discussions about a job someone did and how they did it. Oh yea they still have those articles but they are sponsored by manufactures to sell equipment, not real life discussions about much that really counts. And of course the limits they give you in word count today are ridiculous because ads are more important. I remember some year sago I was asked to write an article about 9/11. I was told to make it about 1500 words. Imagine, 1500 words? Well what I started out with and what it got trimmed down to and ended up being was ridiculous. It wasn't even the article I wrote to begin with.

It's so frustrating. I spend at least two hours a day answering questions of folks dying for answers to how tos, situations, set-ups questions, etc. And there are so many talented people out there. I know this 16 year old kid who emails me all th´time that is unbelievable. But how do we help get folks the resources we need to? No one wants to do anything unless they can make money and that is sad because there is this entire industry of filmmakers who have no outlet, and no resources. What can we do to make this a better place for someone with a HVX who wants to express himself and get that expression seen? It's so fragmented now. In the eighties I was that guy with the HVx except then it was 16mm and we were making films out of love. And some great stuff too. And now we have so many more folks who have access to equipment but how do we make amore viable industry?

Walter Graff · February 9th, 2006, 10:27 PM

"It's up to us and our talent (as well as our team- don't forget the team!) that great films are made. Any of these cameras is capable of a High resolution image, and a good CInema Blow up. "

Now if only we could get folks to concentrate on the talent and forget the obsession with the tools. As for blow ups from what I have seen (Canon and JVC they all are capable). Blow ups are not an exact science. It's less about better and more about other factors. So much is determined by who shoots and more importantly the process of getting it there. I think though beyond always worrying about blow ups, if the content is there, then no one will care. Was Murderball great looking? Was Roger and Me, or Super Size me, or 28 Days? After a while you simply have to use what works for your budget and forget the hair splitting differences in these cameras. Any camera in the same price range makes about the same picture with subjective tastes coming into play more along with ergonomics and features.

Jarred Land · February 9th, 2006, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergio Perez

It would be so much easier if one of us talented, aspiring film makers from this and other boards just put our HVX's Xl-h1, H100's and z1's at work and start doing great feature stuff- stuff nomitaded for awards- .

that's exactly what im trying to do. I cant help it if some people spend all of their time arguing about doing something or not doing something or how something cant be true... its not like im sitting in my back closet making this stuff up.

I'm out there using the tools.. not questioning the capability of them. A camera is a camera. Directors and Producers don't spend alot of time wondering what is a better camera, they just spend time wondering what makes a better story. Nobody (outside our little groups here and there) really cares what camera a film was shot on..

So Walter.. instead of spending 2 hours a day arguing with people how to do something right, lets try and spend that time actually doing something right.

Walter Graff · February 10th, 2006, 12:13 AM

Good to see you have a positive attitude about it. It's that attitude that will get you places. A camera NEVER made a difference. In fact it never will. All it will do is allow more folks access. Let more people on the dance floor and there is, one, no room to dance, and two, no room to see the talented folks dancing. Now if we could just make sure those folks know that a hammer is not what makes a carpenter. So education and resources (including your site) need to shift paradigms away from constant and ridiculous equipment comparisons or talk about resolution, resolution, resolution, and start to offer more information about technique, more festivals for talent to enter, and more resources other than impressions about cameras. Using a camera for a shot in a film doesn't make the camera better or any more important, only means the person using it is a better artist. To say one can't control content is true but one can lead and influence the direction of it by example.

Chris Hurd · February 10th, 2006, 12:18 AM

What a happy ending. We've reached the conclusion of this thread. Thanks everybody,

February 9th, 2006, 09:38 PM	#21
Sergio Perez Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 331	It would be so much easier if one of us talented, aspiring film makers from this and other boards just put our HVX's Xl-h1, H100's and z1's at work and start doing great feature stuff- stuff nomitaded for awards- and then post them here for everyone to see... Maybe then we could have a potential "better camera"... But... On the other hand... Didn't a documentary shot with the DVX was nomitaded for an Academy award? Didn't Supersize me, shot with the PD-150, won at Sundance? Didn't 28 days After received global comercial success as a Fiction film, shot with the XL1? It's up to us and our talent (as well as our team- don't forget the team!) that great films are made. Any of these cameras is capable of a High resolution image, and a good Cinema Blow up. Michael Pappas was impressed with the HVX Big Screen showing, as well as many others where impressed with the Canon Xl1, JVC H100 and Sony Z1 bigscreen showings. What does this mean? They are very, very close to each other. Like Chris Hurd said, it all sums up to what camera you feel more confortable with, and what functions you want from the camera. It's not unlike current NLE's, like someone pointed out. They are starting to be sold as packages and not as single editing units, just because they are in their core very similar I'm a dvx user for 2 years. I know it like the palm of my hand. The HVX from reports works just like it. I'm quite confident in being able to deliver great images with the Machine. The rest is up to my vision, actors and team. __________________ If you don't believe in your film, no one else will. Last edited by Sergio Perez; February 9th, 2006 at 10:42 PM.

February 10th, 2006, 12:18 AM	#27
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	What a happy ending. We've reached the conclusion of this thread. Thanks everybody, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 9th, 2006, 08:53 PM	#17
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Actually, Jarred just clarified what it was. They had to edit a nude scene with a pregnant woman for release in the middle east. Her belly and legs needed to be covered up. So they shot a bed on a greenscreen, used a body double, pulled the sheets up to cover up her legs etc., then motion-tracked the shot on top of the film and composited it together. So yes, the HVX footage will be incorporated in the theatrical film release in the middle east.

February 9th, 2006, 08:54 PM	#18
Walter Graff Hellgate Pictures, Inc. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 124	Yea I guess you are right. I didn't see right. I thought Barry said he shot pick ups for the actual film.

February 9th, 2006, 08:57 PM	#19
Walter Graff Hellgate Pictures, Inc. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 124	"So yes, the HVX footage will be used in the theatrical film release in the middle east." Thanks for the clarification Barry. Good for Jarred. Seems like his move to California is off to a good start. LA is a tough place.

February 9th, 2006, 09:30 PM	#20
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Walter It appears the first Middle East release date is set for: Egypt March 2006 I hope we get to see the work on the final print ? I'd love to see the finished frame one day.

February 9th, 2006, 09:43 PM	#22
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	That's a nice take Sergio I cannot emphasize the team element any more. Let's make more content and less dribble !

February 9th, 2006, 10:02 PM	#23
Walter Graff Hellgate Pictures, Inc. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 124	"It appears the first Middle East release date is set for: Egypt March 2006 I hope we get to see the work on the final print ? I'd love to see the finished frame one day." Thanks John for the date. I wonder though if folks worry too much about a camera and not other factors. I can show you ten things all shot with various cameras but it's often never the camera itself that tells you much about the final product. So much hype was presented for the HVX in the beginning and the let down for many was because they worried too much about the hammer and not the blueprint. But the reality is the HVX can make a great picture. So can most any camera in the right hands. I sure wish folks talked more about the methods then all the tech numbers that tell you a very insignificant part about the camera. There are so many folks out there who spend day and night talking about how a camera is or what it can do and rarely are their discussions about what the people can do. Perhaps the marketing of these cameras has created that atmosphere. It's a shame. Look at resources. I mean real creative resources. There are so many folks dying to learn more but so few places to do that. Very few videos and books cover very few topics to m help folks develop their artistry. Instead its about silly shootouts that split hairs rather than content in many of these magazines that folks can take home and get something appreciable out of. Ten years ago I saw many more articles that were learning articles and commentary, and/or discussions about a job someone did and how they did it. Oh yea they still have those articles but they are sponsored by manufactures to sell equipment, not real life discussions about much that really counts. And of course the limits they give you in word count today are ridiculous because ads are more important. I remember some year sago I was asked to write an article about 9/11. I was told to make it about 1500 words. Imagine, 1500 words? Well what I started out with and what it got trimmed down to and ended up being was ridiculous. It wasn't even the article I wrote to begin with. It's so frustrating. I spend at least two hours a day answering questions of folks dying for answers to how tos, situations, set-ups questions, etc. And there are so many talented people out there. I know this 16 year old kid who emails me all th´time that is unbelievable. But how do we help get folks the resources we need to? No one wants to do anything unless they can make money and that is sad because there is this entire industry of filmmakers who have no outlet, and no resources. What can we do to make this a better place for someone with a HVX who wants to express himself and get that expression seen? It's so fragmented now. In the eighties I was that guy with the HVx except then it was 16mm and we were making films out of love. And some great stuff too. And now we have so many more folks who have access to equipment but how do we make amore viable industry?

February 9th, 2006, 10:27 PM	#24
Walter Graff Hellgate Pictures, Inc. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 124	"It's up to us and our talent (as well as our team- don't forget the team!) that great films are made. Any of these cameras is capable of a High resolution image, and a good CInema Blow up. " Now if only we could get folks to concentrate on the talent and forget the obsession with the tools. As for blow ups from what I have seen (Canon and JVC they all are capable). Blow ups are not an exact science. It's less about better and more about other factors. So much is determined by who shoots and more importantly the process of getting it there. I think though beyond always worrying about blow ups, if the content is there, then no one will care. Was Murderball great looking? Was Roger and Me, or Super Size me, or 28 Days? After a while you simply have to use what works for your budget and forget the hair splitting differences in these cameras. Any camera in the same price range makes about the same picture with subjective tastes coming into play more along with ergonomics and features.

February 10th, 2006, 12:13 AM	#26
Walter Graff Hellgate Pictures, Inc. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 124	Good to see you have a positive attitude about it. It's that attitude that will get you places. A camera NEVER made a difference. In fact it never will. All it will do is allow more folks access. Let more people on the dance floor and there is, one, no room to dance, and two, no room to see the talented folks dancing. Now if we could just make sure those folks know that a hammer is not what makes a carpenter. So education and resources (including your site) need to shift paradigms away from constant and ridiculous equipment comparisons or talk about resolution, resolution, resolution, and start to offer more information about technique, more festivals for talent to enter, and more resources other than impressions about cameras. Using a camera for a shot in a film doesn't make the camera better or any more important, only means the person using it is a better artist. To say one can't control content is true but one can lead and influence the direction of it by example.