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So it might be better than what's happening in camera in the HVX's case. Or not. |
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Explain this. You can/could uprez the 1080 P with software? That would be brilliant. I hate the purely theroretical - But, could this be a firmware update that allows the Linux in the HVX (not the chips) to change thier compression algorythms...? Shouldn't expect that --I'm just trying to talk myself into this Cam. better solution might be reelstream for the HVX http://www.reel-stream.com/ I'm hope I'm not being a pain, because I keep harping on this last point - (...sorry Juan) cheers everybody, J |
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i think you'll find that viewing 1080p clips looks best on a 1080p monitor/digital projection ..
720p material looks it's best on a 720p monitor/projection ... which all comes down to viewing 1080p on a 720p system you might not be able to see the difference between 720p & 1080p material .. on the 1080p down res artifacts & other errors can be introduced = the 720p may look a litter better overall (viewing on 720p) ... viewing 720p material on a 1080p system might introduce artifacts/errors on the up-res ... some sysyems up/down -res better then others .. the BEST seem to be hardware 3rd party boxes ( $2500 and up ) that do the up/down res.. IMO if you have a 720p camera then use 720p monitors/digital projection .. if 1080p then use 1080p monitors/digital projectors ... |
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Still I hope Panasonic go clear this up for people. Lay it all out and let people forget about it once and for all. |
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I sure thought they had hardware suites in LA that could change formats but I haven't done it. I also could have sworn I read in Adam Wilt's book that he really liked the Varicam and had experimented with upconverting. If I'm wrong about that I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. |
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well, i'm definitely going to test out 1080p/720p next month when i purchase this lcd:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...v=&browse=&s=1 |
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I have taken part in a 35mm film transfer of ProHD with really good results. We found out alot in doing the transfer. Of course 1080p originated material would have been better, but the 1280x720 uprezzed to 1080p with good results. I attribute it to the full rez 1280x720 material we had to start with. |
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These shots were taken with a Sony FX1, at the "Sirens Of T.I." show on the Las Vegas strip. HDV utterly destroyed any pretension of "high def" resolution in these shots. Look at the palm trees, look at the back of the ship, look just about anywhere and you'll see macroblocking that looks lego-sized if not worse. I doubt there's VHS-caliber resolution in these shots. These are pixel-for-pixel identical lossless grabs from what the HDV camera recorded. http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image1.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image2.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image3.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image4.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image5.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image6.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image7.png http://www.fiftv.com/FX1/Image8.png Thanks but no thanks for HDV, I just don't trust it. |
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Resolution is the defining key statistic in "high def". But what matters is what the final recorded image looks like. Not the # of pixels on the CCD to get to that recorded image. If you care about the # of pixels, you have to go with the Canon hands down. Since you have not gone with the Canon, then clearly you recognize that the # of pixels is not the paramount deciding factor. If you care about the ultimate amount of resolved definition on a black & white res chart, then you have to go with the 1440x1080 Canon, or you have to go with the 770x492 DVX/Andromeda. There's no room for the Sony or the JVC or even the Panasonic HVX to play in that game if b&w res chart results are all that you care about. If you care about what the final image looks like, then you'll be pleased (or chagrined, depending on your particular agenda) to note that the HVX delivers a sharper image than the JVC does, and a sharper image than the Sony does, but not a sharper image than the Canon does. Quote:
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You cannot continue to cling to the "numbers war" because it just doesn't work. Pixel count numbers do not equate to resolved image data; you and your PhD should know this. Look again at the final image of 770x492 vs. 1280x720: http://www.fiftv.com/HVX200/Andromeda-vs-HD100.JPG Statistics can lie. But these cameras are not here to make "statistics", they're here to make images. The images do not lie. Quote:
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It feels like we're watching an episode of "Smartest Kid in the Sandbox".
Just waiting for one to call the other one's mother, "lo-res". Love to stick around and watch the next exchange, but I have to get my fake-HD camcorder (the one that's paid for itself 3 times over in 2 weeks) ready for work....have fun kids, be nice! |
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Next weekend I'm doing a job that will pay off the HVX and the Mac system in full, on its first commercial gig. Evin Grant paid his HVX off in its first weekend shooting a national spot for ProFlowers.com; Jarred used his HVX to shoot pickup/composite shots for the international theatrical release of "Munich" (hmmm... resolution was high enough for that job!) MTV bought something like 25 HD100's, the BBC is using HVX's to shoot the 2006 Turin Olympics, various shows are using the Z1... |
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720p HDV is a totally different animal at 30fps and 16Mbps data rate.
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Specifically measures from the ONLY test of 6 HD cameras who's results were INDEPENDENT, taken with the SAME CHARTS, UNBIASED, and generally published. There is no point in coming along now and posting a chart that "just happens" to show higher measures. You've got to retest all the camcorders. Why, if the HVX200 can produce these numbers, were YOU not able to get these numbers when other people and other camcorders were around? Bottom line -- stay to the topic: 1) The only independent measures of the HVX200 show it to have 550x540 resolution while the HD100 measures 700x700 -- exactly as does a Varicam. 2) IF you want to continue talking about 1080p CCDs -- then YOU need to explain why/how a 1080p CCD produces less measured resolution than do 720p CCDs.
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The HVX and HD100 are basically pretty similar resolution wise. The HVX offers 1080 recording which, if nothing else, makes the compression artifacts smaller. It also increases the recorded chroma resolution.
The only question I have is why did the HVX perform so badly res wise in the shootout? Barry? |
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