HVX200 + MPIC 35mm Imager

John Benton · February 6th, 2006, 12:35 AM

It's really very interesting to me,

I see the Noise, and in a certain way I have to agree with other forum members who call the HVX a medium/high def camera,
But...
I Don't think I Care
Steev, the footage that has been posted is so beautiful.
I am inclined to agree with you - bring on the noise.

Steev Dinkins · February 6th, 2006, 01:04 AM

Presenting.. The Polar Bear

http://www.holyzoo.com/media/video/H..._Bear_1Mbs.mov

Alvise Tedesco · February 6th, 2006, 05:51 AM

Hi Steev.
Now that you tried your new LCD with the HVX, what about the difference beetween component and YC? Still necessary?
Thanks
Alvise

Jesse Rosten · February 6th, 2006, 11:35 AM

Steev

HAHAHHAHA You are a funny man. A funny man with a lot of stuffed animals :)

Steev Dinkins · February 6th, 2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alvise Tedesco

Hi Steev. Now that you tried your new LCD with the HVX, what about the difference beetween component and YC? Still necessary?

The Marshall and Component HD in vs S-video. Every once in awhile there are things that I get defiantly adamant about. This is one of them. Component HD input is a MUST! If you have to borrow money, or charge on a credit card, you will not regret this purchase. $1350 at BHphoto - buy and cry once, and know you have it covered.

Steev Dinkins · February 7th, 2006, 01:12 AM

Steven Thomas · February 7th, 2006, 09:35 AM

Steev, is it just me, but based off your recent HVX200 footage, this camera has the best color rendition I've seen on a sub 10K camera.

Thanks for sharing.
Also, it looks like it's capable of less noise once set correctly for the scene.

John Benton · February 7th, 2006, 09:55 AM

Agreed,

Esp the Sunset Clip -

NOTICE: The Noise disappears in the darkds when there is Higher contrast and you have some part of the frame Well lit/with strong Light !!!

Infact Steev's footage helped push me over the edge with this Camera !
Thanks. Keep it coming !

Cheers,
J

Shivuya Konban · February 7th, 2006, 09:56 AM

Steev, thanks for your WONDERFUL clips. They're all jaw-droppers !
My request ;

* Could you post some 1080/24p clip at original 1920x1080 size ? (with MPIC of course)
* Could you stop down the lens to, say f16 or f22 ? (w/MPIC, 1080/24p would be great)

Thanks a lot

Shivuya Konban · February 7th, 2006, 09:59 AM

Wow, that was my 1st post here.. I didn't realize.

Steev, upon above request, DVCPRO HD QuickTime would be so appreciated !

Steev Dinkins · February 7th, 2006, 10:36 AM

Nice tat! http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_026.jpg

So, about 1080, for better or worse, it's not what this cam is all about. This is okay with me, because 720p24N is my preferred mode for the look I want, able to do multiple frame rates, and the efficiency to achieve 40 minutes on two 8GB cards.

Check out these interesting comparisons, all from HVX200 to P2:

DV25
http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...0_027_DV25.jpg

DVCPRO HD - 720p24N
http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...27_720p24N.jpg

DVCPRO HD - 1080p24
http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...27_1080p24.jpg

Now, I'm pretty impressed with DV25 blown up to 1080. It looks even nicer blown up to 720p. Regarding the quality difference between 720 and 1080? It's not enough for me to justify 2.5 times the file size to get 1080. So I won't be shooting any 1080 at all and hence won't be posting those massive raw files either. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shivuya Konban

* Could you stop down the lens to, say f16 or f22 ? (w/MPIC, 1080/24p would be great)

Shivuya, and all who may read here, stopping down the lens on a 35mm imager very far is something you should NEVER do. I've tested this a bunch and I've come to the following conclusion. I'll use the 35mm rig for very shallow dof shots only. If I need deeper dof of variable dof, the best I can do is use the stock HVX. This is an important point. The shallow dof on wide open primes on these 35mm rigs will NOT give you every look you want. Many times it's overkill in its mere slivers of areas you can focus on, you can't adjust it very much, and focusing is like performing surgery. I'll be enjoying shooting on the stock lens a whole bunch, and pop in the 35mm for shots that justify it.

*Added note... I didn't mention why. The reason you don't want to stop down these lenses is that you add noise and grain to the image in varying degrees and at f8, f11, or certainly at f16 or farther, it's a wreck, disaster, destruction. So to me, anything that adds undesireable noise and grain to my image, past the initial nice shallow dof and clarity from being wide open, I can't justify the stop down and introduce noise for the sake of increasing dof.

Stay tuned for more eye candy!

Shivuya Konban · February 7th, 2006, 11:09 AM

hmm, hence HVX is called Medium Def camera... 720, pretty good for the price of the cam but 1080, not up to par other camera (H1) does offer ;-(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steev Dinkins

stopping down the lens on a 35mm imager very far is something you should NEVER do..... The reason you don't want to stop down these lenses is that you add noise and grain to the image in varying degrees and at f8, f11, or certainly at f16 or farther, it's a wreck, disaster, destruction.

That's bad. I imagined or hoped Dan's MPIC (or G35 VIBE version) could let us do that ! I always wanted the choice to open / close the iris for DOF aesthetics... so the real solution to this would be the RED camera then.

Steev Dinkins · February 7th, 2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shivuya Konban

hmm, hence HVX is called Medium Def camera... 720, pretty good for the price of the cam but 1080, not up to par other camera (H1) does offer ;-(

720p is HD. Don't freak out. And if you are just trying to win a resolution race, go buy the Canon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shivuya Konban

That's bad. I imagined or hoped Dan's MPIC (or G35 VIBE version) could let us do that ! I always wanted the choice to open / close the iris for DOF aesthetics... so the real solution to this would be the RED camera then.

Yes, go raise $200k and buy the Red camera. Or go shoot film for that matter. This is indie stuff here. Sounds like you are hard to please in general, so good luck man. Sour grapes or a god send? I'm still blown away by what's possible.

Betsy Moore · February 7th, 2006, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steev Dinkins

Yes, go raise $200k and buy the Red camera. Or go shoot film for christ's sake. This is indie stuff here. Sounds like you are hard to please in general, so good luck man. Sour grapes or a god send?

All right, now, let's keep it civil. He was just giving feedback, let's not bring Jesus into this just yet:)

And the 1080 freeze frame of the blue box with stars looked good to me:)

Steev Dinkins · February 7th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy Moore

All right, now, let's keep it civil. He was just giving feedback, let's not bring Jesus into this just yet:)

And the 1080 freeze frame of the blue box with stars looked good to me:)

:) Yes yes. Jesus can wait a little longer.

*News Flash* I just spoke to Brian at RedRock and he set me straight on controlling dof. It appears that the M2 can handle smaller apertures without artifacting. Who knew? Well the guys at Red Rock knew. Very intriguing, aint it?

February 6th, 2006, 01:04 AM	#17
Steev Dinkins Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 613	Presenting.. The Polar Bear http://www.holyzoo.com/media/video/H..._Bear_1Mbs.mov __________________ www.holyzoo.com

February 7th, 2006, 01:12 AM	#21
Steev Dinkins Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 613	Another 35mm grab - http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...0_35mm_023.jpg So I finally got playin around with more HVX200 stock lens shooting. Sunset timelapse was gorgeous - I should have stayed longer though - http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_012.jpg Tripod spin on the horizon skyline with zero motion glitch, very smooth: http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_014.jpg http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_015.jpg Some camera-in-car shots while driving. I had the shutter on 1/12th for these, so some nice blurring effects are possible. If I didn't want blur, I just gotta find more light, since I refuse to gain up. http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_018.jpg http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_019.jpg http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_020.jpg http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_021.jpg http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...HVX200_025.jpg More video clips: 35mm: http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...5mm_Test06.mov Stock Lens: http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...ock_Test03.mov 35mm around sunset time (I should have been zoomed in more): http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx20...5mm_Test07.mov __________________ www.holyzoo.com

February 6th, 2006, 12:35 AM	#16
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	It's really very interesting to me, I see the Noise, and in a certain way I have to agree with other forum members who call the HVX a medium/high def camera, But... I Don't think I Care Steev, the footage that has been posted is so beautiful. I am inclined to agree with you - bring on the noise.

February 6th, 2006, 05:51 AM	#18
Alvise Tedesco Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Milan/Italy Posts: 63	Hi Steev. Now that you tried your new LCD with the HVX, what about the difference beetween component and YC? Still necessary? Thanks Alvise

February 6th, 2006, 11:35 AM	#19
Jesse Rosten Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Redding, California Posts: 114	Steev HAHAHHAHA You are a funny man. A funny man with a lot of stuffed animals :)

February 7th, 2006, 09:35 AM	#22
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Steev, is it just me, but based off your recent HVX200 footage, this camera has the best color rendition I've seen on a sub 10K camera. Thanks for sharing. Also, it looks like it's capable of less noise once set correctly for the scene.

February 7th, 2006, 09:55 AM	#23
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Agreed, Esp the Sunset Clip - NOTICE: The Noise disappears in the darkds when there is Higher contrast and you have some part of the frame Well lit/with strong Light !!! Infact Steev's footage helped push me over the edge with this Camera ! Thanks. Keep it coming ! Cheers, J

February 7th, 2006, 09:56 AM	#24
Shivuya Konban Tourist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4	Steev, thanks for your WONDERFUL clips. They're all jaw-droppers ! My request ; * Could you post some 1080/24p clip at original 1920x1080 size ? (with MPIC of course) * Could you stop down the lens to, say f16 or f22 ? (w/MPIC, 1080/24p would be great) Thanks a lot

February 7th, 2006, 09:59 AM	#25
Shivuya Konban Tourist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4	Wow, that was my 1st post here.. I didn't realize. Steev, upon above request, DVCPRO HD QuickTime would be so appreciated !