HVX-200 footage! at DVinfo.net

Cassidy Bisher · February 3rd, 2006, 12:53 PM

So, we got ours 2 days ago... what's the first thing we tried? 720p60, who wouldn't? This footage is my partner David dropping coins into a glass cup on the table, he lit it well with the Arri soft lighting kit. He even lit the back wall a bit. I think to get any kind of footage to look good on DV or HD, you have to light it well.

The next step would be to order the G35 adapter and give our camera to REEL | STREAM let them do their magic and get 4:4:4 color space. But then my partner says.. "be patient little root!" geez, I'm already spoiled with this new camera and I want more already.

http://www.motivitypictures.com/hvx2...p60_coins.html

Mathieu Ghekiere · February 3rd, 2006, 01:22 PM

Music from E.T. :-D

Some nice images.

Cassidy Bisher · February 3rd, 2006, 01:24 PM

I was wondering if anyone would recognize the music..

I also forgot to tell everyone we used the highest shutter speed possible... no motion blur as you can see... but now that we have shot it this way, it seems that using a high shutter speed with 60p is tough to do, I actually think high shutter speeds look better with even higher frame rates... like the shots on "Gladiator", during the first scene when the battle is going on, and there are mud chunks flying everywhere, I am certain a higher frame rate than 60p was used. Because as I play back the footage with the link I posted, I almost wish there were more frames... Coins drop so fast. Maybe in 5 or 10 years we'll get 200p, 4096x3112 resolution.

yea right.

Gareth Watkins · February 3rd, 2006, 01:46 PM

Lovely pictures Cassidy...very impressed by them
Gareth

Cassidy Bisher · February 3rd, 2006, 01:52 PM

Thanks Gareth, we'll try and post as much as we can until everyone receives theirs..

Craig Seeman · February 3rd, 2006, 02:11 PM

Ok now try shooting the same thing with an HDV camera to see how MPEG2 handles that kind of motion.

What shutter speed were you using? 1/60 or was it higher?

Ash Greyson · February 3rd, 2006, 02:22 PM

HDV can only shoot 30P max... if you are going to do a lot of slow-mo, the HVX is the cheaper better choice. There are some post programs that can do amazing slow mo but it takes a lot of expertise and rendering. HVX will do it on the fly.

ash =o)

Cassidy Bisher · February 3rd, 2006, 02:28 PM

1/2000 was the shutter speed.. for HDV are you referring to frame resolution independence, and the fact that the Sony Camera doesn't do as well?

David Mintzer · February 3rd, 2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassidy Bisher

1/2000 was the shutter speed.. for HDV are you referring to frame resolution independence, and the fact that the Sony Camera doesn't do as well?

Wow--I want one.

Phil Hover · February 3rd, 2006, 05:47 PM

It would be sweet if you did 60p 1/125 shutter so we can see that buttery 1/48 @ 24fps when you run it realtime.

Stephen L. Noe · February 3rd, 2006, 07:33 PM

That was nice Cassidy, thanks for providing the images.

Cassidy Bisher · February 3rd, 2006, 09:06 PM

Phil, I will see if we can do that... I know exactly what you mean...

Pete Bauer · February 3rd, 2006, 10:12 PM

Question:

In the 23.976 conformed part of the clip, I'm seeing two images of single coins that are in motion, as if two separate frames are blended. This shouldn't happen with simply conforming progressive frames to a slower speed. Two possibilities I can think of are:

- improper pull-down of an interlaced signal (which there shouldn't be in DVPRoHD?)followed by frame blending
and perhaps
- some odd anomaly of my viewing an embedded web page clip with a Windows box that has QT7.x Basic (freeware version)

Are Mac users or Win QT7 Pro users (who are able to download the clip) seeing this?

Craig Seeman · February 3rd, 2006, 10:48 PM

Ash. It was a joke. My point is the HVX beats 1/3" HDV cameras in doing this kind of stuff. People are arguing minutia in other threads. This is the kind of stuff a client NOTICES!

Pete, I'm seeing the same thing with QT7 on a Mac. Somewhere progressive frames are getting combined.

Bob Gundu · February 3rd, 2006, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

Question:

In the 23.976 conformed part of the clip, I'm seeing two images of single coins that are in motion, as if two separate frames are blended. This shouldn't happen with simply conforming progressive frames to a slower speed. Two possibilities I can think of are:

- improper pull-down of an interlaced signal (which there shouldn't be in DVPRoHD?)followed by frame blending
and perhaps
- some odd anomaly of my viewing an embedded web page clip with a Windows box that has QT7.x Basic (freeware version)

Are Mac users or Win QT7 Pro users (who are able to download the clip) seeing this?

For the second half of the video, I believe he adjusted the Speed in the timeline by 40% with frame blending.

February 3rd, 2006, 12:53 PM	#1
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	HVX-200 footage! So, we got ours 2 days ago... what's the first thing we tried? 720p60, who wouldn't? This footage is my partner David dropping coins into a glass cup on the table, he lit it well with the Arri soft lighting kit. He even lit the back wall a bit. I think to get any kind of footage to look good on DV or HD, you have to light it well. The next step would be to order the G35 adapter and give our camera to REEL \| STREAM let them do their magic and get 4:4:4 color space. But then my partner says.. "be patient little root!" geez, I'm already spoiled with this new camera and I want more already. http://www.motivitypictures.com/hvx2...p60_coins.html

February 3rd, 2006, 01:22 PM	#2
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	Music from E.T. :-D Some nice images. __________________ http://productionsofthe3rdkind.com http://pr3k.com

February 3rd, 2006, 10:12 PM	#13
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Question: In the 23.976 conformed part of the clip, I'm seeing two images of single coins that are in motion, as if two separate frames are blended. This shouldn't happen with simply conforming progressive frames to a slower speed. Two possibilities I can think of are: - improper pull-down of an interlaced signal (which there shouldn't be in DVPRoHD?)followed by frame blending and perhaps - some odd anomaly of my viewing an embedded web page clip with a Windows box that has QT7.x Basic (freeware version) Are Mac users or Win QT7 Pro users (who are able to download the clip) seeing this? __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

February 3rd, 2006, 01:24 PM	#3
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	I was wondering if anyone would recognize the music.. I also forgot to tell everyone we used the highest shutter speed possible... no motion blur as you can see... but now that we have shot it this way, it seems that using a high shutter speed with 60p is tough to do, I actually think high shutter speeds look better with even higher frame rates... like the shots on "Gladiator", during the first scene when the battle is going on, and there are mud chunks flying everywhere, I am certain a higher frame rate than 60p was used. Because as I play back the footage with the link I posted, I almost wish there were more frames... Coins drop so fast. Maybe in 5 or 10 years we'll get 200p, 4096x3112 resolution. yea right.

February 3rd, 2006, 01:46 PM	#4
Gareth Watkins Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: France Posts: 578	Lovely pictures Cassidy...very impressed by them Gareth

February 3rd, 2006, 01:52 PM	#5
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	Thanks Gareth, we'll try and post as much as we can until everyone receives theirs..

February 3rd, 2006, 02:11 PM	#6
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Ok now try shooting the same thing with an HDV camera to see how MPEG2 handles that kind of motion. What shutter speed were you using? 1/60 or was it higher?

February 3rd, 2006, 02:22 PM	#7
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	HDV can only shoot 30P max... if you are going to do a lot of slow-mo, the HVX is the cheaper better choice. There are some post programs that can do amazing slow mo but it takes a lot of expertise and rendering. HVX will do it on the fly. ash =o)

February 3rd, 2006, 02:28 PM	#8
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	1/2000 was the shutter speed.. for HDV are you referring to frame resolution independence, and the fact that the Sony Camera doesn't do as well?

February 3rd, 2006, 05:47 PM	#10
Phil Hover Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Costa Mesa, The OC, CA Posts: 87	It would be sweet if you did 60p 1/125 shutter so we can see that buttery 1/48 @ 24fps when you run it realtime.

February 3rd, 2006, 07:33 PM	#11
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	That was nice Cassidy, thanks for providing the images.

February 3rd, 2006, 09:06 PM	#12
Cassidy Bisher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 198	Phil, I will see if we can do that... I know exactly what you mean...

February 3rd, 2006, 10:48 PM	#14
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Ash. It was a joke. My point is the HVX beats 1/3" HDV cameras in doing this kind of stuff. People are arguing minutia in other threads. This is the kind of stuff a client NOTICES! Pete, I'm seeing the same thing with QT7 on a Mac. Somewhere progressive frames are getting combined.