Panasonic's Pricing of the HVX200 Pal Version

Mathieu Ghekiere · January 15th, 2006, 09:38 AM

Prices suck here in Europe...

Last year in August or September, a month or so before the XL2 was released in America, I asked in a dealer in Belgium how much the XL1s costed... it was 4200 euros, I don't know how much dollar that is, maybe something like 4800 dollars...
And that's just one year ago...

Glad I bought my PAL model second hand from someone on these boards, barely used for 2500 euros.

Simon Wyndham · January 15th, 2006, 11:02 AM

With 2 8gb cards 8219 UKP inc VAT.
http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/cgi-b...onic_ag-hvx200

Fredrik-Larsson · January 15th, 2006, 11:04 AM

That's about 14000 USD, right?

Edit: Saw now that it was 13000 USD + VAT. Ouch!

Simon Wyndham · January 15th, 2006, 12:06 PM

Thats right. And Creative Video have pretty competitive pricing too, so I wouldn't imagine many other companies being much cheaper.

Tung Bui · January 15th, 2006, 12:52 PM

That's an interesting perspective on sales Peter. No wonder nobody bothers with the small fry in Australia.

The problem with my dvx100a is that I actually want to use the firewire for a firestore or dvrack. Some wonky stuff is going on with the electronics in my camera. The power zoom failed for a few months and then decided to ressurect itself at the expense of losing firewire!

I was thinking of getting the 100b for the lower noise floor, underscan, clearer evf and lcd but the hvx may be the way to go. Will DVT be selling these?

Mike Marriage · January 15th, 2006, 03:59 PM

The only way to make the price drop is not buying 'em. :)

You can get an HD100 for £3000+VAT, less that HALF the price!

Tim White · January 15th, 2006, 07:28 PM

The link to the Creative Video page not only has their price - 12,368.06 euros - but also the following text in the blurb:
"The AG-HVX200 will be available in the first quarter of 2006 at suggested list price of 10,000 Euros including 2 8GB P2 cards."
ex Vat it is 10,526 euros but cameras are usually quoted inc of vat which suggests that a price hike has occured between announcement and delivery (but only with the PAL version)

Just checked http://www.videokit.co.uk and though there's no price yet the blurb states (my caps)
"The AG-HVX200 will be available in the first quarter of 2006 at suggested list price BELOW 10,000 Euros including 2 8GB P2 cards."

Steve Connor · January 16th, 2006, 06:37 AM

So that extra 1 fps is costing us big-time?

Even Sony does't rip us off as badly as that - Panasonic Europe, if you're listening, this is a BAD move.

Mark Grant · January 16th, 2006, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Even Sony does't rip us off as badly as that

Sony even sell a camera which can switch from NTSC to PAL and back with the touch of a menu button. I honestly don't see why other companies still restrict their cameras to NTSC or PAL when the CCD resolutions for HD are the same... other than to create a captive market for price hikes, of course.

Rob McCardle · January 16th, 2006, 09:44 PM

Well, after a bit more digging around, here in New Zealand that increase is going to price the camera at around NZ$15,000 which is around the same price as what the Canon is selling for.

Ummm, I'm really trying to be polite - but if that price doesn't include P2 cards and is bare base camera only (which I can't establish atm) - there's no freak'n way I'm going to part with that sort of money for a handheld (hell, no way even with 2 8gb cards) ... in comparison the Z1 is going for around $7 k.

edit: oh - I forgot the cost of the deck for HDV so add another $4300 to the Sony.
$11300 cf $15,000.

This is fantasy land now - whodathunk that they could ever get people to pay these prices for handhelds ... the mind boggles.
That's confirmed my decision to rent.

James Darren · January 16th, 2006, 10:21 PM

Once we get confirmation on pricing, i'll start another thread so we can do a firm comparison on the pricing between different countries & the PAL/NTSC cameras.

It would be good to get a list of people's names in PAL countries who are going to be forced to either buy the HVX200 overseas or buy a Sony/Canon instead due to massive difference in pricing & switchable NTSC/PAL capabilities. Gee don't Panasonic realise that people actually travel & use their cameras in different countries or shoot for overseas markets & need the 24P/25P-50i/60i option?

Whether or not this makes any difference to Panasonics pricing will yet to be seen but at least they'll be aware of the loss of potential sales, which I believe we should be able to get the list over the 100 names mark.....

Steve Connor · January 17th, 2006, 04:33 AM

Count me in as a PAL user whos not happy!

Rabi Syid · January 17th, 2006, 05:00 AM

WOT!

i was just thinking, would i be right in saying that Canon's stupid high price is a big part factor of this amazing price tag. It makes me laugh, i think i'm now gonna go with the JVC for definate purley becuase...There is nothing to justify that riduclous cost of the P nor the C. Not even Panniscankers dvx reputation which doesn't that just lie mainly with the NTSC models not the PAL( i'm talking about the supposed film look) I was gonna go with canonrip-off before, but JVC's easy price tag, ergonomics, etc. and the picture are all beating the rest for me. And i don't feel like i'm getting robbed from them.

Just my 2.

Rabi Syid · January 17th, 2006, 05:02 AM

Oh yea and still have not seen any footage form the damn thing, and they've made us wait longer. From any Buisness POV this is not good ethics. WTF

Holger Leonhard · January 17th, 2006, 06:49 AM

I guess I will take the JVC instead.
The JVC is sharp, has a great low light sensivity and latitude, cine gamma / look seems to be almost the same as the HVX, records on cheap DV tapes and on 720p there is no Problem with artifacts.
The cam here in Europe new incl. VAT(!) is ~ 5500 - 6000 EUR and I don´t need expensive, additional gimmiks like overpriced P2 Cards.
bye bye panny!

January 15th, 2006, 09:38 AM	#16
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	Prices suck here in Europe... Last year in August or September, a month or so before the XL2 was released in America, I asked in a dealer in Belgium how much the XL1s costed... it was 4200 euros, I don't know how much dollar that is, maybe something like 4800 dollars... And that's just one year ago... Glad I bought my PAL model second hand from someone on these boards, barely used for 2500 euros. __________________ http://productionsofthe3rdkind.com http://pr3k.com

January 15th, 2006, 11:04 AM	#18
Fredrik-Larsson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 395	That's about 14000 USD, right? Edit: Saw now that it was 13000 USD + VAT. Ouch! __________________ The Russian Captain (upcoming feature) http://trc-movie.blogspot.com/ My movies http://www.larssonfilm.com/

January 15th, 2006, 07:28 PM	#22
Tim White New Boot Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 13	The link to the Creative Video page not only has their price - 12,368.06 euros - but also the following text in the blurb: "The AG-HVX200 will be available in the first quarter of 2006 at suggested list price of 10,000 Euros including 2 8GB P2 cards." ex Vat it is 10,526 euros but cameras are usually quoted inc of vat which suggests that a price hike has occured between announcement and delivery (but only with the PAL version) Just checked http://www.videokit.co.uk and though there's no price yet the blurb states (my caps) "The AG-HVX200 will be available in the first quarter of 2006 at suggested list price BELOW 10,000 Euros including 2 8GB P2 cards." Last edited by Tim White; January 15th, 2006 at 07:31 PM. Reason: more info

January 15th, 2006, 11:02 AM	#17
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	With 2 8gb cards 8219 UKP inc VAT. http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/cgi-b...onic_ag-hvx200

January 15th, 2006, 12:06 PM	#19
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Thats right. And Creative Video have pretty competitive pricing too, so I wouldn't imagine many other companies being much cheaper.

January 15th, 2006, 12:52 PM	#20
Tung Bui Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 101	That's an interesting perspective on sales Peter. No wonder nobody bothers with the small fry in Australia. The problem with my dvx100a is that I actually want to use the firewire for a firestore or dvrack. Some wonky stuff is going on with the electronics in my camera. The power zoom failed for a few months and then decided to ressurect itself at the expense of losing firewire! I was thinking of getting the 100b for the lower noise floor, underscan, clearer evf and lcd but the hvx may be the way to go. Will DVT be selling these?

January 15th, 2006, 03:59 PM	#21
Mike Marriage Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NE of London, England Posts: 788	The only way to make the price drop is not buying 'em. :) You can get an HD100 for £3000+VAT, less that HALF the price!

January 16th, 2006, 06:37 AM	#23
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	So that extra 1 fps is costing us big-time? Even Sony does't rip us off as badly as that - Panasonic Europe, if you're listening, this is a BAD move.

January 16th, 2006, 09:44 PM	#25
Rob McCardle Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 99	Well, after a bit more digging around, here in New Zealand that increase is going to price the camera at around NZ$15,000 which is around the same price as what the Canon is selling for. Ummm, I'm really trying to be polite - but if that price doesn't include P2 cards and is bare base camera only (which I can't establish atm) - there's no freak'n way I'm going to part with that sort of money for a handheld (hell, no way even with 2 8gb cards) ... in comparison the Z1 is going for around $7 k. edit: oh - I forgot the cost of the deck for HDV so add another $4300 to the Sony. $11300 cf $15,000. This is fantasy land now - whodathunk that they could ever get people to pay these prices for handhelds ... the mind boggles. That's confirmed my decision to rent.

January 16th, 2006, 10:21 PM	#26
James Darren Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 235	Once we get confirmation on pricing, i'll start another thread so we can do a firm comparison on the pricing between different countries & the PAL/NTSC cameras. It would be good to get a list of people's names in PAL countries who are going to be forced to either buy the HVX200 overseas or buy a Sony/Canon instead due to massive difference in pricing & switchable NTSC/PAL capabilities. Gee don't Panasonic realise that people actually travel & use their cameras in different countries or shoot for overseas markets & need the 24P/25P-50i/60i option? Whether or not this makes any difference to Panasonics pricing will yet to be seen but at least they'll be aware of the loss of potential sales, which I believe we should be able to get the list over the 100 names mark.....

January 17th, 2006, 04:33 AM	#27
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	Count me in as a PAL user whos not happy!

January 17th, 2006, 05:00 AM	#28
Rabi Syid Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: location Posts: 68	WOT! i was just thinking, would i be right in saying that Canon's stupid high price is a big part factor of this amazing price tag. It makes me laugh, i think i'm now gonna go with the JVC for definate purley becuase...There is nothing to justify that riduclous cost of the P nor the C. Not even Panniscankers dvx reputation which doesn't that just lie mainly with the NTSC models not the PAL( i'm talking about the supposed film look) I was gonna go with canonrip-off before, but JVC's easy price tag, ergonomics, etc. and the picture are all beating the rest for me. And i don't feel like i'm getting robbed from them. Just my 2.

January 17th, 2006, 05:02 AM	#29
Rabi Syid Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: location Posts: 68	Oh yea and still have not seen any footage form the damn thing, and they've made us wait longer. From any Buisness POV this is not good ethics. WTF

January 17th, 2006, 06:49 AM	#30
Holger Leonhard Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 71	I guess I will take the JVC instead. The JVC is sharp, has a great low light sensivity and latitude, cine gamma / look seems to be almost the same as the HVX, records on cheap DV tapes and on 720p there is no Problem with artifacts. The cam here in Europe new incl. VAT(!) is ~ 5500 - 6000 EUR and I don´t need expensive, additional gimmiks like overpriced P2 Cards. bye bye panny!