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Michael,
you've worked with both the HVX and the XLH1. Wich one do you prefer ? How would you compare the image quality ? I know it is subjective, but... |
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I have seen some very impressive results from the HD100. It's actually kind of shocking...I think it has the best 24p "look" of them all. It's a subjective thing for sure, but it seemed to have the most filmic motion of them all.
Things I've seen look like really good Super16. It's too bad JVC has a bit of a stigma to overcome. I look forward to their next version. Hopefully with higher bit rates, frame rates, and SDI. |
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I take it that you are referring to progressive scan when you say that they don't care about their fans or buyers? There's more to life than a 'p'. Do you actually think that a company is going to sacrifice customers just to be awkward? If you want to see corporate attitude at work look no further than Panasonic. Or ask any product reviewer unlucky enough to say anything negative about their stuff. Panasonic do not welcome criticism of any form. Sony on the other hand don't mind at all. In fact the very reason why Showreel mags Sony XDCAM supplement was created by an independent magazine was precisely because Sony wanted an independent viewpoint, warts and all. Panasonic would never ever even contemplate such an idea. |
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Okay fellows, that's enough Ford vs. Chevy for today.
My fault for letting the "I think Sony sucks" post get through, that has no business here, sorry. |
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The thing about JVC gear is that every little thing is blown out of proportions and with Panasonic every flaw is somehow twisted into something little or swept under the carpet by the Panasonic fans. Just look at how all the flaws pointed in the HVX200 have been dismissed as not a big deal and immediately given workarounds and how flaw in the HD100 has to be talked over and over for weeks like there’s no tomorrow and like they have no workaround as well. That’s where JVC’s stigma is. Surely not with who interests JVC most, which are the people who actually own their gear. |
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No probs Chris. Just trying to redress the balance as I feel Sony get an unfair rap a lot of the time as a company.
When people complain about a company not listening to users desires for features they want in equipment I think they are passively expecting the companues to read each thread in a forum such as this. People, if you want a company to listen you have to contact them directly. You'll get a lot further if you find the product manager of a particular line (not difficult) and send them your comments about the product directly. You have to take the bull by the horns. |
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Thanks Simon, in my experience all of these big corps have had their attitude problems. They're all pretty much guilty in one way or another. All I'm asking is, on this site let's please stay focused on the technical aspects of the gear. Much appreciated,
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looks like there's gonna be a shootout...
I know its still early to draw conclusions, but I agree that Panasonic's marketing dept. seems to have a split personality when it comes to releasing information. Mike, rest assured that if (and I do mean IF) the HVX turns out to be no cleaner than a DVX100b in SD mode, then I won't be singing its praises either. So, far the XL-H1 seems to have the most favorable unveiling. I'd like to see a side-by-side of all the HD cameras in all modes, but human nature being the way it is, I'm sure the debate will last longer than the most of the cameras do.
Maybe I should just buy one of the XL2s being dumped by people who need the latest, greatest toy. |
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All in all I know no camera does everything but sometimes it seems silly not to do something that is pretty standard in 2006, when you know the money and market is there. And let's not forget Sony did lie about the FX/ZU1 doing 24p until they were pushed about the matter so they do know there's a need and want for it. (And it's a fact Sony did initially lie about this initially). Panasonic may not be giving you all the info but they're at least pretty much saying "Hey we just won't tell you. If you like the image, buy it, if not dont." Again this is all my opinion based on my needs and wants. As for the reviews of the HVX I think the most important thing is the image, the motion and the sound these are the things I most want to know about. -Nate |
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Hi Antonie,
I have shot with both untethered as well. I think both are amazing cameras; I wish I could smash them together and make a H1-200. The HVX is noisy. I have worked in formats that put the best HD to shame, so I'm sensitive to artifacts. I am also very forgiving when you take price to performance. The XLH1 is very close to, if not biting the heals of a 750 to 900 hdcam's. That's amazing. The HVX200 can not do low key to medium key cinematography with out generating ccd noise in the mid to low grey tones. This tone level is how 90% of the greatest films and TV dramas etc are shot. So when I see the HVX200 do this, it's not good. Panasonic used a noisier ccd and it's obvious. I will have my third chance at the HVX200 soon and it will get a true test. I think the HVX200 is an amazing small professional size HD camera that can be amazing. But the noise issue in a digital age is not good when compression systems get all mucked up trying to deal with that. The XLH1 speaks for itself, it's silky and clean. You can make the H1 have any look you want. It's all adjustable inside. If I had to buy now, It would be the H1 hands down no questions. But I don't, so I get to explore the HVX200 more.. Take a look just posted Canon XL H1 frames from footage I filmed in Hollywood. LINK TO XLH1 MATERIAL: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/ Quote:
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Hey Michael - images are not loading on Mac or on PC. If I click the image placeholder I get 404.
Anything we can do ? |
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