This puppy better ship in December!!! at DVinfo.net

Shannon Rawls · December 6th, 2005, 12:01 PM

All the hype and talk about this camera. All the brainwashing I seen done. This camera better come through as promised and ON TIME.

If Sony, JVC or Canon would have did all that Panasonic did (as far as hype goes) and all the people who secretly get a paycheck from panasonic to defend them in these forums by dissing the other manufacturers and talking about how slow they are, and how unreliable they are and how Panasonic is the DV god and is always on time and up to date and smarter all that....If this camera is not released in stores in the month of DECEMBER in the year 2005......lord have mercy!

and I don't wanna hear that "it's ok if they take some time to get it right" crappy speech either. All those people who were around in January/Februrary/March of this year during the breakout of HDV and all the bashing HDV camera owners took for it should know what I am talking about. *smile*

offtopic:

I was thinkig last nihght....if it wasn't for sites such as dvinfo.net. What would you do? I mean think about it. This website actually makes or breaks the decision making for most people as to what stuff they would buy. Examples:
1. People would have been PISSED if they bought Sony's Z1U just to find out CF24 is not what they expected
2. People would have been PISSED if they bought JVC HD100 just to find out they had split screen problems at decibel shooting
3. People would have been PISSED if they bought Canon XL2 just to find out the XLR inputs don't take Line Level in
4. I can go on and on....

and who can we thank for this PRE-SALES knowledge? Damn sure not the brochures that are put out for these products.....But instead...we must thank dvinfo.net community of people who share wisdom & knowledge. Stuff lie this wasn't around 10 years ago when gear needed to be purchased. You just had to 'roll the dice'. Be sure to tell everyone you know who is interested in spending one single penny on anything DV releated to come here and do some due dilligence(sp?) first. and thank the founders.

Ok, back on topic:

Panasonic better come through! (so I can order me one. lol)

- ShannonRawls.com

Steev Dinkins · December 6th, 2005, 05:27 PM

*Deleted, due to disassociation with this thread - Marty should clarify who he's casting his judgment at.*

Barry Green · December 6th, 2005, 06:53 PM

There'll be some delivered at the end of December, but you have to understand that the pre-orders have been massive. If you're thinking you can just walk into a store and pick one up, you'll most likely be disappointed. EVS and Abel and other stores like that have waiting lists a hundred deep.

Kurth Bousman · December 6th, 2005, 08:28 PM

I'd ten times rather they come in months late but be the best camera possible than have a 1000 problems. Come on Shannon , isn't your Zbaby enough to occupy you for a few more months. Even though there's probably a zillion preorders, I bet more people are waiting , like myself , for the bugs to be cleaned out of this camera than any camera before. In a year , p2 prices will have halved , or the package will include a couple of 25 gig cards ! Of course this will be caused by all of the early adopters. I think this next year is the year to buy a used eclair or gsmo on ebay. HDV cameras are killing the used 16mm market , yet , if you've got the money for stock , my opinion is 16mm is still better. Of course , I'm still in love with my z1( I didn't even read about the framerates one the hvx until last week ) so I'll be happy watching from the sidelines for awhile.Be patient. Let pany do a good job. That said , when I did read about the hvxs' framerates , I was hooked. It's just a long tether ! Kurth

Marty Baggen · December 7th, 2005, 10:25 AM

Good grief... how does anyone have the spare time to be angry at something that isn't even here yet?

Back in the old days before these forums, you might see a magazine ad for an upcoming product..... call your rep, get a rough guess of when it is supposed to be out (which would be wildly off target)..... hear almost no details for a few more months, then get a call from your rep after you have nearly forgotten about the darn thing.

No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to buy ANY gear. 99% of the complainers on these forums are those that are committing to projects in advance of getting their gear (not very bright).... or just in some sort of desparate need to be the first on their block with the new gizmo....or just trying to be the smartest person in the rooom by offering their infinite wisdom on what Sony, JVC, or Panasonic SHOULD have done.

Get a life, get a job....something other than bitching. It takes away from the intent that Chris and others are trying to do here.

Merry Christmas... write when you find work.

Earl Thurston · December 7th, 2005, 01:22 PM

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99% of the complainers on these forums are those that are committing to projects in advance of getting their gear (not very bright)...

Perhaps some are in a situation where the project is going ahead regardless, but they're hoping to have that camera rather than another one.

That's my situation (and note, I'm not complaining :) ). My client has a project scheduled for the January-March period...something I can't control. I'd really LIKE to use the HVX, but if I can't, my backup plan is to use the JVC HD100 instead.

The only problem with this plan is that (a), if I can get the HVX, I'll buy it, but (b) if I need the HD100, I'll have to rent it, and I won't have the budget left to buy the HVX.

Hence, I'm REALLY hoping to get the HVX by mid January. I've put down a deposit and pre-ordered, so hopefully I'm high enough on the list to get some of the first units out.

Needless to say, though, I'm taking a big risk. The camera may (though not likely) be awful. At least my deposit is refundable just in case.

Marty Baggen · December 7th, 2005, 01:55 PM

Earl.... I can appreciate your position, and you are braver than I.

Were it me, I would have declined the project. As it is, you are going to be thrust into a paying situation with gear that you are largely unfamiliar with. I've turned down deadline sensitive projects that were offered to me during a time that I was performing computer upgrades and o/s changes, or acquisition gear that I haven't taken out and experimented with.

I wouldn't want to have eye surgery performed by a doctor who just took delivery of his new and improved laser yesterday.

Of course the analogy is extreme, but nonetheless, if you have a paying client, it is generally worth more to them to have your skills combined with tools that you are familiar with, than the latest gizmo while you learn it.

My two bits.... and sometimes it costs me money, but there is a shocking amount of return business from those of whom you have told "no" in the past.

I hope you get your HVX in time to work with it, and THEN go make a boatload of money with it!

Philip Williams · December 7th, 2005, 01:59 PM

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Earl Thurston... that rings a bell. Is this your site or just a coincidence?

http://www.neopics.com/bluescreen/

Bill Porter · December 7th, 2005, 02:07 PM

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