1080p feature not so popular? at DVinfo.net

Danilo Del Tufo · November 11th, 2005, 12:54 PM

Hello there, i've seen a lot of people talking about 720p mode, but nobody seems
want to use 1080p. Perhaps for 2x8Gb P2 cards that can record only 16 minutes is not funny for now, but I believed who's buying this camera hope to shot in 1080p!
Anyone did see "Sony Fx-1" + "Guerilla35" adapter? I know Sony has much "vivid" color, but I'm thinking about "Hvx200 1080p" + "Guerilla35" could match this quality?
Here are the links:
http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/
http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/image0.jpg
http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/dormc.jpg

I'd like to know what are yours thoughts about it, Barry Green what do you think about it?

Thanks,

Cheers:)

Eric Brown · November 11th, 2005, 01:03 PM

Sorry, Danilo, I was was looking through your subject downloads and got half way down to where the girl in front of the white wall was and..uh...um... what was your question, again?

Danilo Del Tufo · November 11th, 2005, 01:18 PM

Two questions:

1)I've seen much discussion about 720p of Hvx200, so it seems 1080p is not desidered so much :( probably because we now can't record much in this quality.

2) I've seen those gorgeous videos made by MacGregor, it has an adaptor that coming out in december (made by Jonathan Houser), to match Hvx-200, I'm only speculating about quality of colorimetry of Hvx200, based on Dvx100 it has much
"darker" colours than Hdv Sony Fx-1 or Z1.
Here are those gorgeous example:
http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/image0.jpg
http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/dormc.jpg
The B/W video is incredible, the photography is amazing, gray scale is amazing!

Is it clear, Eric Brown?

Thanks for your thoughts,

Cheers

Eric Brown · November 11th, 2005, 02:44 PM

Hey, Danilo, just being goofy. Women do that to me...my wife especially. I totally understood your question.
Personally I think when you get to a certain level there's a a subliminal trigger that says, "Okay, this looks good enough" and you're convinced you could be looking at film.
I've seen this with both 720 and 1080.
The color space of HD over DV is one of the things that really helps as well.
I think we can get to a point aesthetically, where the video-like qualities of video are diminished to the point of near invisibility, as is the case with these clips.
I think these were shot in either CF24 or a PAL CF25, I'm not savvy enough on the Sony cameras to know whether it was 1080 or 720.
In short I don't necessarily think 1080 is necessary to make images look as nice as these clips.
I've seen stuff shot on the DVX, XL2 with the G35 that look awesome to be honest.
I guess in short, I'm saying the HVX will easily be able to achieve the level of quality these clips have, i.e. color space, resolution, etc...
But like all tools, it's the operator who really makes the difference.

Danilo Del Tufo · November 11th, 2005, 03:40 PM

Thanks Eric.
The videos of Macgregor genius were shot on Fx1 pal, C25 in 1080i then deinterlacced.
I really like Sony Hd colour space with this adapter. So d'you think we can make that colorimetry of Hvx200 and emulate Sony colours thanks to Hd colour space? It's Hd colour space that makes those miracles? So vivid? I hope i can make similar vivid colours with Hvx200:)
Thanks

Cheers

Damon Botsford · November 11th, 2005, 06:20 PM

Yeah, they're genius all right!
He got a couple chicks to get naked for the sake of "art". That's not an easy task, even with a bunch of cash... not that I would know.
The simple answer to your question is yes, the HVX will perform as well if not better than the FX1 with the G35, especially in color space. To quote George Zimmer, "I guarantee it". So get your checkbook ready.

Mike Medavoy · November 11th, 2005, 07:56 PM

And to further build up on that, I just bought the American Cinematographer 1987 issue that discusses Full Metal Jacket. It turns out the movie was shot on video using a primitive version of a 35mm adapter.

All the magic hour stuff was done in post.

Bill Anderson · November 12th, 2005, 11:32 AM

Does anyone have a link to the "Guerilla 35" site? Tried googling "Jonathan Houser" etc- no luck.

Brian Petersen · November 12th, 2005, 11:49 AM

www.guerilla35.com

Emanuel Costa · November 13th, 2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Anderson

Does anyone have a link to the "Guerilla 35" site? Tried googling "Jonathan Houser" etc- no luck.

One day, you will have "Jonathan Houser" googled and your post will be a mark in the "History of the Moving Image", too. Who knows? :) Or maybe(?), it's better to say...in the "History of Cinema"... :) Congrats Bill and to Jonathan!...for sure. We live strange days but, above all, history and interesting hours, indeed!

Barry Goyette · November 13th, 2005, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Medavoy

And to further build up on that, I just bought the American Cinematographer 1987 issue that discusses Full Metal Jacket. It turns out the movie was shot on video using a primitive version of a 35mm adapter.

All the magic hour stuff was done in post.

Mike

here's one of those cases where its best not to read the thread from the most recent post backwards...I stopped at your post yesterday...and spent otherwise useful time trying to disprove this piece of nonsense --which by the way, I couldn't actually do (p*ssing me off further), only to reread the thread today, and find that the disinformation started several posts earlier, and that I had clearly missed the "joker".

Barry

Mike Medavoy · November 13th, 2005, 09:13 PM

Barry,

You made my evening... :-))))))))))))

Sorry for the lost time, if it's true...........

Barry Goyette · November 14th, 2005, 09:50 AM

well, the 1987 American cinematographer thing was a nice touch..not really wasted time when compared to watching macgregor's pseudo porn (although I have to say that it nicely shows off the G35 unit--I just wish I didn't feel so dirty now)

Barry

November 11th, 2005, 12:54 PM	#1
Danilo Del Tufo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Naples (Italy) Posts: 104	1080p feature not so popular? Hello there, i've seen a lot of people talking about 720p mode, but nobody seems want to use 1080p. Perhaps for 2x8Gb P2 cards that can record only 16 minutes is not funny for now, but I believed who's buying this camera hope to shot in 1080p! Anyone did see "Sony Fx-1" + "Guerilla35" adapter? I know Sony has much "vivid" color, but I'm thinking about "Hvx200 1080p" + "Guerilla35" could match this quality? Here are the links: http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/ http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/image0.jpg http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/dormc.jpg I'd like to know what are yours thoughts about it, Barry Green what do you think about it? Thanks, Cheers:)

November 11th, 2005, 01:18 PM	#3
Danilo Del Tufo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Naples (Italy) Posts: 104	Two questions: 1)I've seen much discussion about 720p of Hvx200, so it seems 1080p is not desidered so much :( probably because we now can't record much in this quality. 2) I've seen those gorgeous videos made by MacGregor, it has an adaptor that coming out in december (made by Jonathan Houser), to match Hvx-200, I'm only speculating about quality of colorimetry of Hvx200, based on Dvx100 it has much "darker" colours than Hdv Sony Fx-1 or Z1. Here are those gorgeous example: http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/image0.jpg http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/dormc.jpg The B/W video is incredible, the photography is amazing, gray scale is amazing! Is it clear, Eric Brown? Thanks for your thoughts, Cheers Last edited by Danilo Del Tufo; November 11th, 2005 at 03:46 PM.

November 12th, 2005, 11:32 AM	#8
Bill Anderson Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ottawa. Canada Posts: 163	Guerilla 35 Does anyone have a link to the "Guerilla 35" site? Tried googling "Jonathan Houser" etc- no luck.

November 12th, 2005, 11:49 AM	#9
Brian Petersen Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 62	www.guerilla35.com __________________ Brian Petersen www.thinktankthemovie.com www.albrightacademy.com

November 11th, 2005, 01:03 PM	#2
Eric Brown Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 427	Sorry, Danilo, I was was looking through your subject downloads and got half way down to where the girl in front of the white wall was and..uh...um... what was your question, again?

November 11th, 2005, 02:44 PM	#4
Eric Brown Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 427	Hey, Danilo, just being goofy. Women do that to me...my wife especially. I totally understood your question. Personally I think when you get to a certain level there's a a subliminal trigger that says, "Okay, this looks good enough" and you're convinced you could be looking at film. I've seen this with both 720 and 1080. The color space of HD over DV is one of the things that really helps as well. I think we can get to a point aesthetically, where the video-like qualities of video are diminished to the point of near invisibility, as is the case with these clips. I think these were shot in either CF24 or a PAL CF25, I'm not savvy enough on the Sony cameras to know whether it was 1080 or 720. In short I don't necessarily think 1080 is necessary to make images look as nice as these clips. I've seen stuff shot on the DVX, XL2 with the G35 that look awesome to be honest. I guess in short, I'm saying the HVX will easily be able to achieve the level of quality these clips have, i.e. color space, resolution, etc... But like all tools, it's the operator who really makes the difference.

November 11th, 2005, 03:40 PM	#5
Danilo Del Tufo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Naples (Italy) Posts: 104	Thanks Eric. The videos of Macgregor genius were shot on Fx1 pal, C25 in 1080i then deinterlacced. I really like Sony Hd colour space with this adapter. So d'you think we can make that colorimetry of Hvx200 and emulate Sony colours thanks to Hd colour space? It's Hd colour space that makes those miracles? So vivid? I hope i can make similar vivid colours with Hvx200:) Thanks Cheers

November 11th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#6
Damon Botsford Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 39	Yeah, they're genius all right! He got a couple chicks to get naked for the sake of "art". That's not an easy task, even with a bunch of cash... not that I would know. The simple answer to your question is yes, the HVX will perform as well if not better than the FX1 with the G35, especially in color space. To quote George Zimmer, "I guarantee it". So get your checkbook ready.

November 11th, 2005, 07:56 PM	#7
Mike Medavoy Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 63	And to further build up on that, I just bought the American Cinematographer 1987 issue that discusses Full Metal Jacket. It turns out the movie was shot on video using a primitive version of a 35mm adapter. All the magic hour stuff was done in post.

November 13th, 2005, 09:13 PM	#12
Mike Medavoy Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 63	Barry, You made my evening... :-)))))))))))) Sorry for the lost time, if it's true...........

November 14th, 2005, 09:50 AM	#13
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	well, the 1987 American cinematographer thing was a nice touch..not really wasted time when compared to watching macgregor's pseudo porn (although I have to say that it nicely shows off the G35 unit--I just wish I didn't feel so dirty now) Barry