New $350.00 Single Slot P2 Reader?!?! Finally! at DVinfo.net

Dan Brockett · February 12th, 2010, 04:12 PM

Like a rain of heavenly P2 goodness, Panasonic graces us with a brand new $350.00 dual USB P2 slot reader. Bus powered! Cheap! Small! Light! I am running around the office, waving my hands in the air like I just don't care!

http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquis...ard-drive.html

Dan

Tom Klein · February 12th, 2010, 05:25 PM

Hi Dan,

I'm asking myself "where are the "Transfer times" expected , actual real world times, not sales times (Spin).
In any case why did they not bring out this little baby years ago, was it recent competition, or fear of loosing the "Reader market".

either way it's well over due for many in the P2 camp.
Like I've always said, P of P2 signifies "Patience"

Cheers
well done Pana, even if it's years late.

Tom Chartrand · February 13th, 2010, 09:11 AM

Meh...dual interface with FW800 bus power would've really blown my skirt up...

Tom Klein · February 13th, 2010, 09:02 PM

Hi Tom, (a great name)

USB connection most likely because of "universality" across the board Windows or Mac, lappy of desktop, I just hope it's at least as fast as the camera for off loads.

Cheers

Daniel Epstein · February 14th, 2010, 09:40 AM

I feel like you have to be named Tom or Dan to reply to this thread so I qualify.

I am sure the transfer speeds on USB 2.0 will not blow people away but I know the flexibility of using any computer for transferring will help the P2 form factors longevity in field use.

Dan Brockett · February 14th, 2010, 10:12 PM

If this thing is not in the neighborhood of the Duel as far as speed, I will probably foresake it and just buy two new 64GB P2 cards. Then when I travel, I can just use the camera to download to the laptop at night. I am kind of tired of downloading cards during shoots anyway so that may be the way for me to go. Much more money though. I already have four 8GB P2 cards and three 16GB P2 cards so if I add a couple of 64GB cards, I can shoot for days without dumping anyway.

Dan

Christopher Drews · February 14th, 2010, 10:20 PM

I am upgrading to snow leopard (have a duel adapter).
That was the last thing holding me back and 350 is nothing in terms of P2 workflow.

Just got 2 64GB E-Series also. I'm loving it!
-C

Tom Klein · February 15th, 2010, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brockett

If this thing is not in the neighborhood of the Duel as far as speed, I will probably foresake it and just buy two new 64GB P2 cards. Then when I travel, I can just use the camera to download to the laptop at night.
, I can shoot for days without dumping anyway.

Dan

Hi Dan,

I've been doing just that for the last couple of years, and only dumping to HDD at night or back in the office when the shoots finished,
If I were to do lots of field work I'd get the "Wrangler" .
Remember, You only have to buy the cards "Once", a big $ hit, but if your making a living from it, it's just another cost to bear or build it into your costs....Un-like say Insurance , that is paid every year.
Even the old days of Tape we had to go out with new stock every shoot, that was an unavoidable cost also.
I have 3 x 32g & 1 x16g - 2x8g all R series. suits my bussiness.

Cheers

Dan Brockett · February 15th, 2010, 01:45 PM

Just have to get some projects that will pay for them. I agree. If I buy two 64GBs, combined with my present cards, I will have 568 minutes of 720 24pN and 208 minutes of 1080. That should be enough, except when I rent or borrow other P2 cameras for multi-camera shoots.

Dan

Tom Klein · February 15th, 2010, 04:24 PM

Hi Dan,

Multi cam shoots "Should" give you more income/budgets to play with ? If not, don't do them, simple.
I tell my clients, that my Camera/Computer suppliers don't give me all this great gear to just go and "Do good works" for FREE. someone must pay, or, don't have it done.
If they want it for nothing, I say, do it yourself.

It's much cheaper to not work, than work for nothing.

Cheers
Tom K

Dan Brockett · February 15th, 2010, 05:14 PM

True enough. I do get spoiled though since all of my gear paid for itself years ago so my charges to the clients are pure profit. When I have to go sub-rent stuff, I am not as enthusiastic about doing so because I can't mark the gear rental up very much since the rates are so standardized on LA.

Dan

Tom Klein · February 15th, 2010, 07:59 PM

Hi Dan,

I understand, easy solution though, if it makes not as much dosh as your accustomed too, then don't do it.

Cheers

Toke Lahti · February 22nd, 2010, 08:59 AM

No fw800?
Epic Fail!

They've had fw in 5-slot readers for years...GRRR!

Dan Brockett · February 22nd, 2010, 10:18 AM

I am a Mac person and as much as I know FW is far superior to USB for video editing, it is a fact of life that FW is a fading protocol. The new MBPs don't even have FW 400 connections anymore and 800 is fast on its way out.

Panasonic has always been a PC-centric company so this doesn't surprise me. FW is kind of alien to most PC users since most PCs don't come with it standard, they have to buy an add-on card to use it.

Dan

Toke Lahti · February 22nd, 2010, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brockett

I am a Mac person and as much as I know FW is far superior to USB for video editing, it is a fact of life that FW is a fading protocol. The new MBPs don't even have FW 400 connections anymore and 800 is fast on its way out.

Fw is downwards compatible (like almost everything else), so it doesn't matter if fw400 connectors are disappearing, since fw800 are still there and can be used like before.

Situation seems to get worse for P2 users all the time.
First Panasonic chose to use already outdated form & connector factor for P2.
Now they are dropping faster connections away from their readers.
At the same time Apple is taking away express card and fw from macbooks.
Both companies are not using faster connections like eSata or usb3 even they both could do it.
At the same time Sony offers 1/2" cameras cheaper than panny's 1/3" and you can use regular SD cards with them with SxS adapters. And macbooks do have that sd reader...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brockett

Panasonic has always been a PC-centric company so this doesn't surprise me. FW is kind of alien to most PC users since most PCs don't come with it standard, they have to buy an add-on card to use it.

So when 5-slot P2 readers do have fw, then panny was not pc-centric before?

Most pc's are not used for video editing.
Most pc's that are used for video editing do have fw.
All pc's that are used for capturing the most wide used video format (miniDV & dvcam) has to have fw and so they have had it for last decade.

February 12th, 2010, 04:12 PM	#1
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	New $350.00 Single Slot P2 Reader?!?! Finally! Like a rain of heavenly P2 goodness, Panasonic graces us with a brand new $350.00 dual USB P2 slot reader. Bus powered! Cheap! Small! Light! I am running around the office, waving my hands in the air like I just don't care! http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquis...ard-drive.html Dan

February 12th, 2010, 05:25 PM	#2
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Hi Dan, I'm asking myself "where are the "Transfer times" expected , actual real world times, not sales times (Spin). In any case why did they not bring out this little baby years ago, was it recent competition, or fear of loosing the "Reader market". either way it's well over due for many in the P2 camp. Like I've always said, P of P2 signifies "Patience" Cheers well done Pana, even if it's years late. __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

February 13th, 2010, 09:11 AM	#3
Tom Chartrand Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 41	Meh...dual interface with FW800 bus power would've really blown my skirt up... __________________ www.shorelinedigitalproductions.com

February 13th, 2010, 09:02 PM	#4
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Hi Tom, (a great name) USB connection most likely because of "universality" across the board Windows or Mac, lappy of desktop, I just hope it's at least as fast as the camera for off loads. Cheers __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

February 14th, 2010, 10:20 PM	#7
Christopher Drews Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 628	Allows me to upgrade I am upgrading to snow leopard (have a duel adapter). That was the last thing holding me back and 350 is nothing in terms of P2 workflow. Just got 2 64GB E-Series also. I'm loving it! -C

February 14th, 2010, 09:40 AM	#5
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	I feel like you have to be named Tom or Dan to reply to this thread so I qualify. I am sure the transfer speeds on USB 2.0 will not blow people away but I know the flexibility of using any computer for transferring will help the P2 form factors longevity in field use.

February 14th, 2010, 10:12 PM	#6
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	If this thing is not in the neighborhood of the Duel as far as speed, I will probably foresake it and just buy two new 64GB P2 cards. Then when I travel, I can just use the camera to download to the laptop at night. I am kind of tired of downloading cards during shoots anyway so that may be the way for me to go. Much more money though. I already have four 8GB P2 cards and three 16GB P2 cards so if I add a couple of 64GB cards, I can shoot for days without dumping anyway. Dan

February 15th, 2010, 01:45 PM	#9
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Just have to get some projects that will pay for them. I agree. If I buy two 64GBs, combined with my present cards, I will have 568 minutes of 720 24pN and 208 minutes of 1080. That should be enough, except when I rent or borrow other P2 cameras for multi-camera shoots. Dan

February 15th, 2010, 04:24 PM	#10
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Hi Dan, Multi cam shoots "Should" give you more income/budgets to play with ? If not, don't do them, simple. I tell my clients, that my Camera/Computer suppliers don't give me all this great gear to just go and "Do good works" for FREE. someone must pay, or, don't have it done. If they want it for nothing, I say, do it yourself. It's much cheaper to not work, than work for nothing. Cheers Tom K __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

February 15th, 2010, 05:14 PM	#11
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	True enough. I do get spoiled though since all of my gear paid for itself years ago so my charges to the clients are pure profit. When I have to go sub-rent stuff, I am not as enthusiastic about doing so because I can't mark the gear rental up very much since the rates are so standardized on LA. Dan

February 15th, 2010, 07:59 PM	#12
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Hi Dan, I understand, easy solution though, if it makes not as much dosh as your accustomed too, then don't do it. Cheers __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

February 22nd, 2010, 08:59 AM	#13
Toke Lahti Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 158	No fw800? Epic Fail! They've had fw in 5-slot readers for years...GRRR!

February 22nd, 2010, 10:18 AM	#14
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	I am a Mac person and as much as I know FW is far superior to USB for video editing, it is a fact of life that FW is a fading protocol. The new MBPs don't even have FW 400 connections anymore and 800 is fast on its way out. Panasonic has always been a PC-centric company so this doesn't surprise me. FW is kind of alien to most PC users since most PCs don't come with it standard, they have to buy an add-on card to use it. Dan