HARD DRIVE Support: This is huge

Brad Abrahams · April 18th, 2005, 07:35 AM

A firewire drive enclosure that includes a rechargeable lithium-ion battery with 10+ hours of usage per charge. This would be perfect if the hvx streams the data over firewire:

http://www.macpower.com/productdetai...&catid=311,316

We still have no official confirmation on the HDD recording though. It may just mean that the camera will automatically transfer files form the P2 cards in the slots to a HDD connected to the USB or FW outputs.

Luis Caffesse · April 18th, 2005, 07:41 AM

I got the info from Noah Kadner, who posted on DVXUser.
He got it directly from Panasonic Engineers.

So, I haven't heard it directly from Panasonic officials...but I think it's as good as confirmed in my mind.

HERE IS THE LINK TO THAT THREAD

www.videoindie.com
Keep up with all the HVX NAB news!

Kasper Rye Petersen · April 18th, 2005, 08:07 AM

Does anyone know if there's a max. length of the connecting cable (USB of FireWire) between the camera and an external hard drive? Will a cable that's too long screw up the data transfer? If this possible at all..

Kasper Rye Petersen

Rob Lohman · April 18th, 2005, 08:17 AM

Yes there are maximum lenghts to both. I'm not sure from my mind what it
was, but don't expect to have a long cable to your camera.

Shannon Rawls · April 18th, 2005, 08:21 AM

laptop 2.5" drives are up to 160gigs I think. But even still, 80 gigs are plenty for 1 day of shooting.

an 80 gig laptop drive will hold roughly 80 minutes of 1080p @ 100mbps DVCPROHD. If the Panasonica camera dumps the wasted frames, then its over 3 hours on a single 80gig drive of FULL RESOLUTION HD video with the Pany camera!

Unlike using a $1120 firestore solution....it's all about BYOD.

*smile* That's exactly what I would tell the executive producers... BRING YOUR OWN DRIVE!!! And best of all...no fumbling with the camera every 4 minutes pulling cards out the back of it between takes (that is a foreseeable nightmare!)

I just woke up and heading to first call. I will have my laptop with me to hear the reports. I pray this possible good news comes back as YES IT CAN.

- ShannonRawls.com

Dominic Jones · April 18th, 2005, 08:34 AM

Whoa oh ho my lord!!!

I'm bloody glad I haven't spent on a Z1 yet!....

This sounds like a potential killer... Anyone know confirmed street price and date yet???

Dylan Pank · April 18th, 2005, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shannon rawls

an 80 gig laptop drive will hold roughly 80 minutes of 1080p @ 100mbps DVCPROHD. If the Panasonica camera dumps the wasted frames, then its over 3 hours on a single 80gig drive of FULL RESOLUTION HD video with the Pany camera!

The cam will only drop redundant frames in 720p mode. in 1080 mode it will always record 30p, 60i or 60i with a 2:3:3:2 pulldown for 24p like the DVX, and always at 100Mbs.

Shannon Rawls · April 18th, 2005, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan Pank

The cam will only drop redundant frames in 720p mode. in 1080 mode it will always record 30p, 60i or 60i with a 2:3:3:2 pulldown for 24p like the DVX, and always at 100Mbs.

Oh.

shiat!!!

*rubbing chin*

WELL SO WHAT.... *smile* This is still GREAT NEWS if it does this. I can deal with 80minutes on a cheap 80 gig drive. I would buy them by the box and sell them to the execs. LOLOL

- Shannon W. Rawls

Dylan Pank · April 18th, 2005, 08:42 AM

It certainly seems like the best approach so far. Still, I'm waiting for confirmation, as at the moment the only place I've read about the hard drive thing is on the forums.

Michael Pappas · April 18th, 2005, 08:58 AM

WOW! All I can say is WoW! Very cool Luis!

Michael Pappas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis Caffesse

It seems this camera will record to ANY firewire or USB2.0 drive that will support the datarate.

That means, no need for an expensive 3rd party solution.

Apparently the Panasonic engineers had it working with an Ipod.
:)

Pretty cool.

Luis Caffesse · April 18th, 2005, 09:02 AM

" Anyone know confirmed street price and date yet???"

we won't know the street price until it hits the streets i guess.

panasonic is saying fourth quarter, which probably means october.
they usually don't dilly dally too much with their releases, so i doubt we'll have to wait until december.

www.videoindie.com
HVX News and links as i find them

Luis Caffesse · April 18th, 2005, 09:10 AM

"Does anyone know if there's a max. length of the connecting cable (USB of FireWire) between the camera and an external hard drive? Will a cable that's too long screw up the data transfer? If this possible at all.."

looks like 14.5 ft for firewire
16 feet for usb.

apparently you can get 'active' extention cables for each of those that will allow for longer lengths.

i just posted some stuff about it at the link above.

Kevin Wild · April 18th, 2005, 10:07 AM

This is exciting, but don't forget that with a HD, there will be no way to check back what you are recording unless you also have a laptop. That is one advantage of the P2 cards and the FireStore system...you can check tape..d'oh...you can check...drive.

Anyways, I don't know about you guys, but I really like to check back takes once in a while and I KNOW I will want to when I'm recording to something that I cannot see moving. So I still think a FireStore unit might be the best way to go.

KW

Thomas Smet · April 18th, 2005, 10:33 AM

Hey what about using a USB2 flash memory stick at 1GB? It would only give you a minute of 1080 HD but might be great for very short shots. You just get a couple of those and have them pocking out the side of the camera. After each minute (or 2 minutes if you use 720) you just swap the stick with another and quickly transfer to something else. It would be like using P2 but smaller and a lot cheaper. These are pretty cheap and do not need a power source unless the camera cannot supply power to the devices. Actually there are some 2 and 4 GB flash sticks out now but they are kind of slow. They might work for 720p but I doubt they would work for 1080.

Riley Harmon · April 18th, 2005, 11:02 AM

an article on dvxuser.com says that the camera can dub from a P2 card directly to a harrdive. Do you think this means you have to record to a P2 card and then there might be a menu option that dumps the files onto the harddrive? If so, that kind of defeats the purpose.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=25100

April 18th, 2005, 07:41 AM	#17
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	I got the info from Noah Kadner, who posted on DVXUser. He got it directly from Panasonic Engineers. So, I haven't heard it directly from Panasonic officials...but I think it's as good as confirmed in my mind. HERE IS THE LINK TO THAT THREAD www.videoindie.com Keep up with all the HVX NAB news! __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

April 18th, 2005, 08:17 AM	#19
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April 18th, 2005, 09:02 AM	#26
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	" Anyone know confirmed street price and date yet???" we won't know the street price until it hits the streets i guess. panasonic is saying fourth quarter, which probably means october. they usually don't dilly dally too much with their releases, so i doubt we'll have to wait until december. www.videoindie.com HVX News and links as i find them __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

April 18th, 2005, 09:10 AM	#27
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"Does anyone know if there's a max. length of the connecting cable (USB of FireWire) between the camera and an external hard drive? Will a cable that's too long screw up the data transfer? If this possible at all.." looks like 14.5 ft for firewire 16 feet for usb. apparently you can get 'active' extention cables for each of those that will allow for longer lengths. i just posted some stuff about it at the link above. __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

April 18th, 2005, 07:35 AM	#16
Brad Abrahams Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 65	A firewire drive enclosure that includes a rechargeable lithium-ion battery with 10+ hours of usage per charge. This would be perfect if the hvx streams the data over firewire: http://www.macpower.com/productdetai...&catid=311,316 We still have no official confirmation on the HDD recording though. It may just mean that the camera will automatically transfer files form the P2 cards in the slots to a HDD connected to the USB or FW outputs.

April 18th, 2005, 08:07 AM	#18
Kasper Rye Petersen New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Copenhagen (Denmark) Posts: 6	Does anyone know if there's a max. length of the connecting cable (USB of FireWire) between the camera and an external hard drive? Will a cable that's too long screw up the data transfer? If this possible at all.. Kasper Rye Petersen

April 18th, 2005, 08:21 AM	#20
Shannon Rawls Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 853	laptop 2.5" drives are up to 160gigs I think. But even still, 80 gigs are plenty for 1 day of shooting. an 80 gig laptop drive will hold roughly 80 minutes of 1080p @ 100mbps DVCPROHD. If the Panasonica camera dumps the wasted frames, then its over 3 hours on a single 80gig drive of FULL RESOLUTION HD video with the Pany camera! Unlike using a $1120 firestore solution....it's all about BYOD. smile That's exactly what I would tell the executive producers... BRING YOUR OWN DRIVE!!! And best of all...no fumbling with the camera every 4 minutes pulling cards out the back of it between takes (that is a foreseeable nightmare!) I just woke up and heading to first call. I will have my laptop with me to hear the reports. I pray this possible good news comes back as YES IT CAN. - ShannonRawls.com

April 18th, 2005, 08:34 AM	#21
Dominic Jones Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 225	Whoa oh ho my lord!!! I'm bloody glad I haven't spent on a Z1 yet!.... This sounds like a potential killer... Anyone know confirmed street price and date yet???

April 18th, 2005, 08:42 AM	#24
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	It certainly seems like the best approach so far. Still, I'm waiting for confirmation, as at the moment the only place I've read about the hard drive thing is on the forums.

April 18th, 2005, 10:07 AM	#28
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	This is exciting, but don't forget that with a HD, there will be no way to check back what you are recording unless you also have a laptop. That is one advantage of the P2 cards and the FireStore system...you can check tape..d'oh...you can check...drive. Anyways, I don't know about you guys, but I really like to check back takes once in a while and I KNOW I will want to when I'm recording to something that I cannot see moving. So I still think a FireStore unit might be the best way to go. KW

April 18th, 2005, 10:33 AM	#29
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Hey what about using a USB2 flash memory stick at 1GB? It would only give you a minute of 1080 HD but might be great for very short shots. You just get a couple of those and have them pocking out the side of the camera. After each minute (or 2 minutes if you use 720) you just swap the stick with another and quickly transfer to something else. It would be like using P2 but smaller and a lot cheaper. These are pretty cheap and do not need a power source unless the camera cannot supply power to the devices. Actually there are some 2 and 4 GB flash sticks out now but they are kind of slow. They might work for 720p but I doubt they would work for 1080.

April 18th, 2005, 11:02 AM	#30
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	an article on dvxuser.com says that the camera can dub from a P2 card directly to a harrdive. Do you think this means you have to record to a P2 card and then there might be a menu option that dumps the files onto the harddrive? If so, that kind of defeats the purpose. http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=25100