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Chris Hurd · March 31st, 2005, 12:52 PM

My own *guess* is that we'll be looking through an HD-quality Leica 12x with built-in wide angle field of view.

Please, please have a built-in wide angle! That was one of the best features of the DVX.

Luis Caffesse · March 31st, 2005, 01:05 PM

I'll bet you're right.
And I'll add to that that I hope we still have the same 72mm diameter...which would hopefully allow some accessories to port over without much of a problem.

It's hard to tell from the picture what the size really is.

Can't these marketing people throw a quarter into the corner of their product shots for scale?

:)

Michael Struthers · March 31st, 2005, 02:21 PM

I'll be surprised if Panny doesn't keep all the good things about the dvx, which include the wide angle and the 72mm lens.

It looks about a third heftier than a dvx to moi.

Peter Jefferson · March 31st, 2005, 07:32 PM

im with chris on this one..

im also sure theyre goign to keep the cinegamma and colour settings..

one thing that dissapointed me on the Z1 was that its image manipulation was sub par... :(

Dylan Couper · April 1st, 2005, 09:35 AM

$20 says it's made out of glass!

Aaron Shaw · April 1st, 2005, 09:55 AM

20$ says it's a plastic of some form =D

Kenn Christenson · April 1st, 2005, 12:39 PM

I'll bet it has one of those lovely focus rings that turns and turns and...

Jean-Philippe Archibald · April 1st, 2005, 12:46 PM

It's not going to be a lensless camera?

Oh... tapeless... my mistake...

Michael Pappas · April 1st, 2005, 01:04 PM

I hope not. The most stupid thing ever done to a lens is this free spinning crap!

<<<-- Originally posted by Kenn Christenson : I'll bet it has one of those lovely focus rings that turns and turns and... -->>>

Kenn Christenson · April 1st, 2005, 01:53 PM

If the lens has a focus ring that actually stops at some point and P2 cards that can record 30 Min. of 1080 24P per card, then I'll buy.

Charles Saeger · April 2nd, 2005, 05:21 AM

Same here, I hope the lens focus ring has actual hard stops, one reason I like the form factor of the XL2 with manual lens better. If it has a manual iris then there would really be no excuse NOT to purchase this camera in my opinion. Nearly everything else has been worked out... pending reviews of course!

Michael Pappas · April 3rd, 2005, 06:17 PM

I would bet you Chris, but you don't pay back your loss bets. You still owe me a Steak at Ruth's Chris Steak House.

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : My own *guess* is that we'll be looking through an HD-quality Leica 12x with built-in wide angle field of view.

Please, please have a built-in wide angle! That was one of the best features of the DVX. -->>>

Alex Leith · April 5th, 2005, 01:56 PM

I hope the mechanical parts of the lens have been improved over the DVX100A.

I love the wide angle, and it was definately better than the original DVX100, but the zoom lever was still too loose to really be usable, and every one I've seen has a tiny little "hiccup" about 1/3 of the way through the zoom range from full wide to telephoto (Almost un-noticable, but I'm far too retentive, and took mine back to the store twice, and even had the salesman check 5 others because I couldn't believe that this was within spec!)

Now what I'd really like is a slightly wider 12x zoom with a built in 2x doubler.

Jeff Kilgroe · April 5th, 2005, 03:36 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Alex Leith : "but the zoom lever was still too loose to really be usable, and every one I've seen has a tiny little "hiccup" about 1/3 of the way through the zoom range from full wide to telephoto (Almost un-noticable, but I'm far too retentive, and took mine back to the store twice" -->>>

Aha! That's some vindication on a personal level for me... I see the same little hiccups too and everyone always tells me I'm nuts. I exhanged my first DVX100 for a new one only to find it had the same problem, so I just assumed it was inherent in the design. I guess it is.

Anyway, since I'm all for keeping this on topic: And to address some of the sub-topics within this thread... I'm going to bet they ship the HVX200 with a single 8GB P2 card in the box.

I hope it has a built-in wide angle, I could never live without it after owning my DVX.

I'm eager to buy now as I have been holding my breath for a good and affordable HD solution (that does 24p and isn't HDV). My workflow could benefit from this camera immensely. However, like many here, I have the concerns over P2 capacity and record times. I know it will improve over time, but by the time the P2 capacity issue is no longer an issue, there could very well be several better camera options available.... Even if this camera can hold two P2 cards at a time, with the initial availabilty of 4GB and 8GB P2s, I'm not too anxious to spend the money on extras like an underwater housing.

Oh, well. I guess I must be patient like everyone else and wait for the NAB announcements.

BTW: High performance 2GB SD memory is starting to show up for under $200. Which means 8GB P2 cards will probably arrive in August in the $650 to $800 range. (just a guess, but I bet I'm fairly close). But I think the best thing we could hope for is for third party manufacturers to jump on the P2 card bandwagon... If all the P2 cards on the market are from Panasonic and only one or two other makers, then we can (unfortunately) expect P2 prices to remain higher than they should be...

Joonas Kiviharju · April 6th, 2005, 05:33 AM

If I was of the bet making type, I would place my bet on the manual controls on the lens being all three: focus, zoom and aperture. I would hope the focus to have "real stops", like the FX1:s zoom, but the focus and aperture are propably going to be of that forever spinning type.

This design where they had all three controls on the lens, was already present on those "super-8" form factor mockups. That's one thing I'd guess they would want to have kept from those mockups. But, we'll see.

Here's the "super-8" mockup from NAB2004:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/images/...rototype-3.jpg

Here's a rough sketch by me, based on the preshow picture:

http://pupuedit.sourceforge.net/hvx200_drawing.png

I'd also bet the lens to be 12x or 14x. Propably 12x wide angle, like on the DVX100.

March 31st, 2005, 12:52 PM	#1
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Place your bets on the lens My own guess is that we'll be looking through an HD-quality Leica 12x with built-in wide angle field of view. Please, please have a built-in wide angle! That was one of the best features of the DVX. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 31st, 2005, 01:05 PM	#2
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	I'll bet you're right. And I'll add to that that I hope we still have the same 72mm diameter...which would hopefully allow some accessories to port over without much of a problem. It's hard to tell from the picture what the size really is. Can't these marketing people throw a quarter into the corner of their product shots for scale? :) __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

March 31st, 2005, 02:21 PM	#3
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	I'll be surprised if Panny doesn't keep all the good things about the dvx, which include the wide angle and the 72mm lens. It looks about a third heftier than a dvx to moi. __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

April 1st, 2005, 09:35 AM	#5
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	$20 says it's made out of glass! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

April 1st, 2005, 12:46 PM	#8
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	It's not going to be a lensless camera? Oh... tapeless... my mistake... __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

March 31st, 2005, 07:32 PM	#4
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	im with chris on this one.. im also sure theyre goign to keep the cinegamma and colour settings.. one thing that dissapointed me on the Z1 was that its image manipulation was sub par... :(

April 1st, 2005, 09:55 AM	#6
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	20$ says it's a plastic of some form =D

April 1st, 2005, 12:39 PM	#7
Kenn Christenson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Medford Oregon Posts: 152	I'll bet it has one of those lovely focus rings that turns and turns and...

April 1st, 2005, 01:04 PM	#9
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	I hope not. The most stupid thing ever done to a lens is this free spinning crap! <<<-- Originally posted by Kenn Christenson : I'll bet it has one of those lovely focus rings that turns and turns and... -->>>

April 1st, 2005, 01:53 PM	#10
Kenn Christenson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Medford Oregon Posts: 152	If the lens has a focus ring that actually stops at some point and P2 cards that can record 30 Min. of 1080 24P per card, then I'll buy.

April 2nd, 2005, 05:21 AM	#11
Charles Saeger New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 15	Same here, I hope the lens focus ring has actual hard stops, one reason I like the form factor of the XL2 with manual lens better. If it has a manual iris then there would really be no excuse NOT to purchase this camera in my opinion. Nearly everything else has been worked out... pending reviews of course!

April 3rd, 2005, 06:17 PM	#12
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Re: Place your bets on the lens I would bet you Chris, but you don't pay back your loss bets. You still owe me a Steak at Ruth's Chris Steak House. <<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : My own guess is that we'll be looking through an HD-quality Leica 12x with built-in wide angle field of view. Please, please have a built-in wide angle! That was one of the best features of the DVX. -->>>

April 5th, 2005, 01:56 PM	#13
Alex Leith Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Northampton, England Posts: 500	I hope the mechanical parts of the lens have been improved over the DVX100A. I love the wide angle, and it was definately better than the original DVX100, but the zoom lever was still too loose to really be usable, and every one I've seen has a tiny little "hiccup" about 1/3 of the way through the zoom range from full wide to telephoto (Almost un-noticable, but I'm far too retentive, and took mine back to the store twice, and even had the salesman check 5 others because I couldn't believe that this was within spec!) Now what I'd really like is a slightly wider 12x zoom with a built in 2x doubler. __________________ Alex

April 5th, 2005, 03:36 PM	#14
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	<<<-- Originally posted by Alex Leith : "but the zoom lever was still too loose to really be usable, and every one I've seen has a tiny little "hiccup" about 1/3 of the way through the zoom range from full wide to telephoto (Almost un-noticable, but I'm far too retentive, and took mine back to the store twice" -->>> Aha! That's some vindication on a personal level for me... I see the same little hiccups too and everyone always tells me I'm nuts. I exhanged my first DVX100 for a new one only to find it had the same problem, so I just assumed it was inherent in the design. I guess it is. Anyway, since I'm all for keeping this on topic: And to address some of the sub-topics within this thread... I'm going to bet they ship the HVX200 with a single 8GB P2 card in the box. I hope it has a built-in wide angle, I could never live without it after owning my DVX. I'm eager to buy now as I have been holding my breath for a good and affordable HD solution (that does 24p and isn't HDV). My workflow could benefit from this camera immensely. However, like many here, I have the concerns over P2 capacity and record times. I know it will improve over time, but by the time the P2 capacity issue is no longer an issue, there could very well be several better camera options available.... Even if this camera can hold two P2 cards at a time, with the initial availabilty of 4GB and 8GB P2s, I'm not too anxious to spend the money on extras like an underwater housing. Oh, well. I guess I must be patient like everyone else and wait for the NAB announcements. BTW: High performance 2GB SD memory is starting to show up for under $200. Which means 8GB P2 cards will probably arrive in August in the $650 to $800 range. (just a guess, but I bet I'm fairly close). But I think the best thing we could hope for is for third party manufacturers to jump on the P2 card bandwagon... If all the P2 cards on the market are from Panasonic and only one or two other makers, then we can (unfortunately) expect P2 prices to remain higher than they should be... __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

April 6th, 2005, 05:33 AM	#15
Joonas Kiviharju Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 52	If I was of the bet making type, I would place my bet on the manual controls on the lens being all three: focus, zoom and aperture. I would hope the focus to have "real stops", like the FX1:s zoom, but the focus and aperture are propably going to be of that forever spinning type. This design where they had all three controls on the lens, was already present on those "super-8" form factor mockups. That's one thing I'd guess they would want to have kept from those mockups. But, we'll see. Here's the "super-8" mockup from NAB2004: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/images/...rototype-3.jpg Here's a rough sketch by me, based on the preshow picture: http://pupuedit.sourceforge.net/hvx200_drawing.png I'd also bet the lens to be 12x or 14x. Propably 12x wide angle, like on the DVX100.