HVX200 Pricing Speculation

Michael Pappas · March 30th, 2005, 11:00 PM

One arm, either left or right doesn't matter. A knee cap and two toes, your choice on which toes and which knee cap. Not pricey at all.

Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS

<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : what is the cost of 4 1 gig cards in the p2 system? -->>>

Jan Crittenden Livingston · March 31st, 2005, 06:00 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : what is the cost of 4 1 gig cards in the p2 system? -->>>

There is no 1 Gig P2 card.

Chris Hurd · March 31st, 2005, 07:16 AM

I think he's asking about the 4 gig P2 card.

Simon Wyndham · March 31st, 2005, 07:27 AM

Jan, you just got married?

Jan Crittenden Livingston · March 31st, 2005, 07:34 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Simon Wyndham : Jan, you just got married? -->>>

Yes I did, but in October 2004, to the man of my dreams. We make a good pair, he is a geeky as I am, so to speak we are two geeks in a pod. ;-)

Michael Pappas · March 31st, 2005, 10:00 AM

Jan Crittenden,

What is the cost for the 4 gig P2. MSRP and street or which that you know of. Thanks

<<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : <<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : what is the cost of 4 1 gig cards in the p2 system? -->>>

There is no 1 Gig P2 card. -->>>

Chris Hurd · March 31st, 2005, 10:16 AM

The 2 gig P2 card was about $1700 street, and it's not even made any more. The 4 gig P2 card should now be less than what a 2 gig P2 card was a year ago. So I'm guessing under $2000 for a 4 gig card.

Jan Crittenden Livingston · March 31st, 2005, 10:16 AM

Hi Michael,

It is about $1700 today. It was $2,000 about 3 months ago.

Best,

Jan

Bob Zimmerman · March 31st, 2005, 10:45 AM

So how much video can you get on a 4 gig card?

Jan Crittenden Livingston · March 31st, 2005, 10:49 AM

Depending on what you record. in DVCPRO25 it is roughly 18, in DVCPRO50 it is 9, in HD it is about 4.

Michael Pappas · March 31st, 2005, 10:58 AM

Jan Crittenden,

What frame rate are these figures based on. Is this on 60 or 24. If it is on 60 does that mean 24P in HD will be around 8 minutes.

Michael Pappas
http://www.Pbase.com/ARRFILMS

<<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : Depending on what you record. in DVCPRO25 it is roughly 18, in DVCPRO50 it is 9, in HD it is about 4. -->>>

Luis Caffesse · March 31st, 2005, 11:27 AM

"If it is on 60 does that mean 24P in HD will be around 8 minutes."

Great question, and one I am dying to hear the answer to.

If that's the case, the amount stored in DVCPro50 at 24P should also increase a little bit (about 10%).

I hope this is the case.
While 1080 24P was a huge surprise, I hope to hear that the assumptions about lowered datarate at lowered framerate was true. If not, this puts a small (very small) damper on what is otherwise great news.

Michael Pappas · March 31st, 2005, 11:45 AM

The 60P feature blew me away!

The camera is a Mini Showscan camera. I did research at Showscan corp back in late eighties thru the early 1990's. This camera doing 60P in HD is amazing. Just amazing. Shoot 60p at 1/125th of a second and you have a mini digital Showscan system. WoW!

That aside, this camera has a large format list. We haven't even seen the feature list yet. I'm getting hungry......................

Michael Pappas
http://www.Pbase.com/ARRFILMS

Lawrence Bansbach · March 31st, 2005, 12:03 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan Crittenden,

What frame rate are these figures based on. Is this on 60 or 24. If it is on 60 does that mean 24P in HD will be around 8 minutes.

Michael Pappas
http://www.Pbase.com/ARRFILMS
-->>>

It takes 11.25 GB to record an hour of 25-Mbps video. Therefore, 4 GB should hold 21 minutes and 20 seconds. If the arithmetic holds up, DVCPro HD at 720p24 should be 5/8 of that figure, or about 13 minutes. My guess is that the actual running time will be somewhat less, but certainly should be at least 10 to 12 minutes.

Kevin Dooley · March 31st, 2005, 06:36 PM

In keeping with this whole "time on P2" theme, does anyone know if Firestore's upcoming HD upgrade for the FS-4 will support DVCPROHD?

I'm sure Firestore had to know this was coming, so I guess we can always hope, huh?

March 31st, 2005, 06:00 AM	#77
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : what is the cost of 4 1 gig cards in the p2 system? -->>> There is no 1 Gig P2 card. __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

March 31st, 2005, 07:16 AM	#78
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I think he's asking about the 4 gig P2 card. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 31st, 2005, 07:34 AM	#80
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	<<<-- Originally posted by Simon Wyndham : Jan, you just got married? -->>> Yes I did, but in October 2004, to the man of my dreams. We make a good pair, he is a geeky as I am, so to speak we are two geeks in a pod. ;-) __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

March 31st, 2005, 10:16 AM	#82
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	The 2 gig P2 card was about $1700 street, and it's not even made any more. The 4 gig P2 card should now be less than what a 2 gig P2 card was a year ago. So I'm guessing under $2000 for a 4 gig card. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 31st, 2005, 10:16 AM	#83
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	Hi Michael, It is about $1700 today. It was $2,000 about 3 months ago. Best, Jan __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

March 30th, 2005, 11:00 PM	#76
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	One arm, either left or right doesn't matter. A knee cap and two toes, your choice on which toes and which knee cap. Not pricey at all. Michael Pappas http://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS <<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : what is the cost of 4 1 gig cards in the p2 system? -->>>

March 31st, 2005, 07:27 AM	#79
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Jan, you just got married?

March 31st, 2005, 10:00 AM	#81
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Jan Crittenden, What is the cost for the 4 gig P2. MSRP and street or which that you know of. Thanks <<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : <<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : what is the cost of 4 1 gig cards in the p2 system? -->>> There is no 1 Gig P2 card. -->>>

March 31st, 2005, 10:45 AM	#84
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	So how much video can you get on a 4 gig card?

March 31st, 2005, 10:49 AM	#85
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	Depending on what you record. in DVCPRO25 it is roughly 18, in DVCPRO50 it is 9, in HD it is about 4. __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

March 31st, 2005, 10:58 AM	#86
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Jan Crittenden, What frame rate are these figures based on. Is this on 60 or 24. If it is on 60 does that mean 24P in HD will be around 8 minutes. Michael Pappas http://www.Pbase.com/ARRFILMS <<<-- Originally posted by Jan Crittenden Livingston : Depending on what you record. in DVCPRO25 it is roughly 18, in DVCPRO50 it is 9, in HD it is about 4. -->>>

March 31st, 2005, 11:27 AM	#87
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"If it is on 60 does that mean 24P in HD will be around 8 minutes." Great question, and one I am dying to hear the answer to. If that's the case, the amount stored in DVCPro50 at 24P should also increase a little bit (about 10%). I hope this is the case. While 1080 24P was a huge surprise, I hope to hear that the assumptions about lowered datarate at lowered framerate was true. If not, this puts a small (very small) damper on what is otherwise great news. __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

March 31st, 2005, 11:45 AM	#88
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	The 60P feature blew me away! The camera is a Mini Showscan camera. I did research at Showscan corp back in late eighties thru the early 1990's. This camera doing 60P in HD is amazing. Just amazing. Shoot 60p at 1/125th of a second and you have a mini digital Showscan system. WoW! That aside, this camera has a large format list. We haven't even seen the feature list yet. I'm getting hungry...................... Michael Pappas http://www.Pbase.com/ARRFILMS

March 31st, 2005, 12:03 PM	#89
Lawrence Bansbach Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 295	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan Crittenden, What frame rate are these figures based on. Is this on 60 or 24. If it is on 60 does that mean 24P in HD will be around 8 minutes. Michael Pappas http://www.Pbase.com/ARRFILMS -->>> It takes 11.25 GB to record an hour of 25-Mbps video. Therefore, 4 GB should hold 21 minutes and 20 seconds. If the arithmetic holds up, DVCPro HD at 720p24 should be 5/8 of that figure, or about 13 minutes. My guess is that the actual running time will be somewhat less, but certainly should be at least 10 to 12 minutes.

March 31st, 2005, 06:36 PM	#90
Kevin Dooley Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 414	In keeping with this whole "time on P2" theme, does anyone know if Firestore's upcoming HD upgrade for the FS-4 will support DVCPROHD? I'm sure Firestore had to know this was coming, so I guess we can always hope, huh? __________________ Kevin Dooley Media Director, Pantego Bible Church