New DVCPro HD / P2

Jacques Mersereau · April 7th, 2005, 01:33 PM

We are doing a shoot as I write this with TWO varicams rented in from
Roscor. The DP says he has a serious case of camera envy. What I love
is you need so much less light than betacam and the images are stellar.

One cam is on a Jimmy Jib and the other is on a dolly. Both have teleprompters
hooked up.

DROOL!

Michael Pappas · April 7th, 2005, 02:40 PM

Jan Crittenden

Did you you see those questions I posted a few posts back for you. Sometimes there can be so many posts, that questions get lost...................

Jan Crittenden Livingston · April 8th, 2005, 04:51 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Uri Blumenthal : Jan, regarding MainConcept DVCPRO50 codec - from their Web page <a href="http://www.mainconcept.com/codecs.shtml"></a>:

P.S. I've submitted a feature request for Adobe to support DVCPro HD and HVX200. We'll see... -->>>

It is difficult to say find where I found that, but I went looking last year when a customer asked me about it. As I recall it was a bit of a needle in haystack to find what they were really doing, but it is not a DVCPRO50 codec when they are done.

Best,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston · April 8th, 2005, 05:02 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan Crittenden

Did you you see those questions I posted a few posts back for you. Sometimes there can be so many posts, that questions get lost................... -->>>

Hi Michael I just found it. I have to say that there are about 5 boards that are flooded with activity and I am in the middle of the preparation for NAB. Trust me when I say that I am just a bit busy. ;-) Tons of prep to do, presentations to create and marketing bulletins to write, website planning etc. You cannot imagine. So I might drop out of sight for the day but will reappear at some point to answer questions that I can answer.

So to answer your Question I think it was a 40Mb drive and we tried with with 25 and 50. I think it was a Toshiba. But I think that the little drive didn't understand what it was supposed to do and since it was not designed to write video and a sustained rate, we blew its little mind. That is not to say that once that industry sees that there is another market they might figure out how to make it work. The thing is once we move away from tape drives and turn it into an IT question, change seems to happen at a much faster rate.

Hope that helps,

jan

R Geoff Baker · April 8th, 2005, 05:07 AM

Jan, would you revisit this comment -- it seems unsupported by the details posted at Mainconcept's site, and I'd like to be sure that this is what you intended to say:

"<<<-- Originally posted by Uri Blumenthal : For DVCPro50 there's codec by MainConcept, $349 or so... -->>>

This is not a DVCPRO50 codec. It basic recodes DVCPRO50 to 4:1:1. Do not be mislead here.

Best,

Jan"

Cheers,
GB

Jan Crittenden Livingston · April 8th, 2005, 05:49 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by R Geoff Baker : Jan, would you revisit this comment -- it seems unsupported by the details posted at Mainconcept's site, and I'd like to be sure that this is what you intended to say:
This is not a DVCPRO50 codec. It basic recodes DVCPRO50 to 4:1:1. Do not be mislead here.

See where it says Data reduction? 5:1? That is not DVCPRO50. DVCPRO50 is 3.3:1. I will try to give a smidge of time to find where I found the answer I came up with last year. But this is just the first hint that something is fishy.

Best,

Jan

R Geoff Baker · April 8th, 2005, 07:27 AM

Thanks for the follow-on. It would seem that the codec can't be both 5:1 reduction and 50Mb/s ... the latter implies the 3.3:1 figure common to DVCPro50 & Digital-S.

Your clarification (and any comments from Mainconcept!) are valuable, thanks.

GB

Uri Blumenthal · April 8th, 2005, 08:47 AM

Jan, and let me remind my question about the actual resolution of HVX200. When it takes 720p - does it sample and record 1280x720, or 960x720? Tnx!

Barry Green · April 8th, 2005, 12:05 PM

We don't yet know what size the CCD will be, but it will sample at 4:2:2 and the recording will be 960x720 at 4:2:2 color.

Lynne Whelden · April 8th, 2005, 02:20 PM

Jan--Since you're in this pipeline, any information on what Panasonic's planning to do with the tiny AV100? For those unfamiliar, it's only 6 ounces, records DVD (700X480) quality video to an SD card. Makes a great camera for extreme sports (in my case, backpacking videos). Just curious about this 2-year-old forerunner of the great and upcoming P2 camcorder.

David Ziegelheim · April 8th, 2005, 08:52 PM

If they are making a version DVCProHD that does a 24p 40Mb/sec stream, why not change the recording to 1280x720?

We are going to have a camera that images 960 and records 1440 and another that images 1280 and records 960!!!

Uri Blumenthal · April 8th, 2005, 09:01 PM

Yes, you understand how crazy it looks to me! [Their only excuse could be compatibility with the old format - though who'd care now I don't know.]

April 7th, 2005, 01:33 PM	#196
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	We are doing a shoot as I write this with TWO varicams rented in from Roscor. The DP says he has a serious case of camera envy. What I love is you need so much less light than betacam and the images are stellar. One cam is on a Jimmy Jib and the other is on a dolly. Both have teleprompters hooked up. DROOL! __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

April 8th, 2005, 04:51 AM	#198
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	<<<-- Originally posted by Uri Blumenthal : Jan, regarding MainConcept DVCPRO50 codec - from their Web page <a href="http://www.mainconcept.com/codecs.shtml"></a>: P.S. I've submitted a feature request for Adobe to support DVCPro HD and HVX200. We'll see... -->>> It is difficult to say find where I found that, but I went looking last year when a customer asked me about it. As I recall it was a bit of a needle in haystack to find what they were really doing, but it is not a DVCPRO50 codec when they are done. Best, Jan __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

April 8th, 2005, 05:02 AM	#199
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Jan Crittenden Did you you see those questions I posted a few posts back for you. Sometimes there can be so many posts, that questions get lost................... -->>> Hi Michael I just found it. I have to say that there are about 5 boards that are flooded with activity and I am in the middle of the preparation for NAB. Trust me when I say that I am just a bit busy. ;-) Tons of prep to do, presentations to create and marketing bulletins to write, website planning etc. You cannot imagine. So I might drop out of sight for the day but will reappear at some point to answer questions that I can answer. So to answer your Question I think it was a 40Mb drive and we tried with with 25 and 50. I think it was a Toshiba. But I think that the little drive didn't understand what it was supposed to do and since it was not designed to write video and a sustained rate, we blew its little mind. That is not to say that once that industry sees that there is another market they might figure out how to make it work. The thing is once we move away from tape drives and turn it into an IT question, change seems to happen at a much faster rate. Hope that helps, jan __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

April 8th, 2005, 05:49 AM	#201
Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Broadcast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Secaucus, NJ 07094 Posts: 271	<<<-- Originally posted by R Geoff Baker : Jan, would you revisit this comment -- it seems unsupported by the details posted at Mainconcept's site, and I'd like to be sure that this is what you intended to say: This is not a DVCPRO50 codec. It basic recodes DVCPRO50 to 4:1:1. Do not be mislead here. See where it says Data reduction? 5:1? That is not DVCPRO50. DVCPRO50 is 3.3:1. I will try to give a smidge of time to find where I found the answer I came up with last year. But this is just the first hint that something is fishy. Best, Jan __________________ Jan Crittenden Livingston Panasonic Solutions Company, Product Manager for 3D and Handheld Cameras

April 8th, 2005, 02:20 PM	#205
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	Son of P2 Jan--Since you're in this pipeline, any information on what Panasonic's planning to do with the tiny AV100? For those unfamiliar, it's only 6 ounces, records DVD (700X480) quality video to an SD card. Makes a great camera for extreme sports (in my case, backpacking videos). Just curious about this 2-year-old forerunner of the great and upcoming P2 camcorder.

April 7th, 2005, 02:40 PM	#197
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Jan Crittenden Did you you see those questions I posted a few posts back for you. Sometimes there can be so many posts, that questions get lost...................

April 8th, 2005, 05:07 AM	#200
R Geoff Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 471	Jan, would you revisit this comment -- it seems unsupported by the details posted at Mainconcept's site, and I'd like to be sure that this is what you intended to say: "<<<-- Originally posted by Uri Blumenthal : For DVCPro50 there's codec by MainConcept, $349 or so... -->>> This is not a DVCPRO50 codec. It basic recodes DVCPRO50 to 4:1:1. Do not be mislead here. Best, Jan" Cheers, GB

April 8th, 2005, 07:27 AM	#202
R Geoff Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 471	Thanks for the follow-on. It would seem that the codec can't be both 5:1 reduction and 50Mb/s ... the latter implies the 3.3:1 figure common to DVCPro50 & Digital-S. Your clarification (and any comments from Mainconcept!) are valuable, thanks. GB

April 8th, 2005, 08:47 AM	#203
Uri Blumenthal New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fair Lawn, NJ Posts: 20	Jan, and let me remind my question about the actual resolution of HVX200. When it takes 720p - does it sample and record 1280x720, or 960x720? Tnx!

April 8th, 2005, 12:05 PM	#204
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	We don't yet know what size the CCD will be, but it will sample at 4:2:2 and the recording will be 960x720 at 4:2:2 color.

April 8th, 2005, 08:52 PM	#206
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	If they are making a version DVCProHD that does a 24p 40Mb/sec stream, why not change the recording to 1280x720? We are going to have a camera that images 960 and records 1440 and another that images 1280 and records 960!!!

April 8th, 2005, 09:01 PM	#207
Uri Blumenthal New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fair Lawn, NJ Posts: 20	Yes, you understand how crazy it looks to me! [Their only excuse could be compatibility with the old format - though who'd care now I don't know.]