Two different models? at DVinfo.net

Adam Folickman · November 29th, 2004, 06:25 AM

Check out this photo
http://www.geocities.jp/sumi653/P2HD.jpg

Is this what I think it is ? A Panna HD cam ?

It is part of this web-site
http://www.geocities.jp/sumi653/index.html

Can anybody provide a translation of the Japanese please ?

Chris Hurd · November 29th, 2004, 06:37 AM

Panasonic is not a member of the HDV Format Consortium, so what they're doing is not HDV. However they probably have their own consumer high-definition thing in the works, who knows. The P2 format that you're referencing here allows for DVCPro HD video recording on removeable flash memory, which is an interesting and welcome step away from tape-based media.

Heath McKnight · November 29th, 2004, 08:49 AM

We had heard about this last year or earlier this year. It definitely looks cool, but I'm curious if there gonna market it to HDV users by pricing it sub-$5000.

heath

Dan Euritt · November 29th, 2004, 11:48 AM

if it's really a dvcpro hd(100Mbps) camera, as it's marked on the outside, it will blow the doors off of hdv, if it's sold and priced in a prosumer package.

Brad Abrahams · November 29th, 2004, 04:00 PM

Unfortunately, the spec sheet listed the video as Mpeg2.

John C. Chu · November 29th, 2004, 05:18 PM

Looks like a Photoshop mock up...

But I guess from everything I've gleaned from the forums...Final Cut Pro already supports this format...

Hmmm...

Kevin Dooley · November 29th, 2004, 08:18 PM

I'm fairly certain it's not a Photoshop markup, I believe they had an actual physical mockup at either NAB or some other major convention and I've seen photos from that...I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I turned up something like that...maybe I saw the pics at camcorderinfo.com... I'm not sure...

My question is, are P2 cards a reasonable recording format for a sub $5K camera? I haven't checked prices lately, but from what I remember about the pricing vs. memory size vs. recording time they were fairly...astronomically priced for a camera in this price range. Unless of course they've come way down since their introduction...

Jesse Bekas · November 30th, 2004, 12:45 PM

They definitely had a physical mockup...here's the link to more pix and an article...

Panny P2 HD Mockup

BTW - As flash memory gets faster and more advanced (which seems like a constantly evolving beast), prices keep dropping. I remember when I first got my flash thumbdrive a little over 1 year ago, I paid something $100+ for 128MB. I just saw a 1GB one on TigerDirect today for like $50. I'm assuming then that regular flash cards have been "evolving" at the same rate as well.

Thats' 8X the memory for half the price (or less)! If prices continue to drop rapidly, a P2 system might be viable by the Summer (*Although the expected release date for this model is Fall 2006!). Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that you may need more than one 16GB card system to be able to shoot more than an hour of footage a day.

If Panny was really smart, they'd adapt this thing into a HDD camcorder with a swapable media bay for the Spring, and then push the P2 upgrade the year after.

Joonas Kiviharju · December 1st, 2004, 05:12 AM

I think it's not a Photoshop mockup, as it's been seen in reports from the InterBEE fair in Japan.

This picture clearly shows, that there will be TWO models, one MPEG and one DVCPRO-HD. (Isn't DVCPRO-HD 960X720 ??? Or can it do bigger?)

http://www.scn-net.ne.jp/~tdcjapan/bee2004/BIG0294.JPG

Here's a link to some other photos from interBEE, scroll down to approx. the middle of the page to find the Panasonics:

http://www.scn-net.ne.jp/~tdcjapan/bee2004/index.html

Hayden Rivers · December 1st, 2004, 06:30 AM

I'm not really sure why they would want to do flash media when you can get a 40-60gb laptop harddrive for cheap these days. Do they want us to buy additional flash media? 16gb of flash is huge, but it's nothing in the harddrive world.

Imran Zaidi · December 1st, 2004, 08:15 AM

Panasonic makes some beautiful HD cameras, and even if they dumb it down for the prosumer level, I'm sure it will be quite a sweet thing. I'm betting they're trying to make a big come-back like they did when they suddenly made 24p the hottest buzzword of the last couple of years, and perhaps something like this is their attempt.

In any case, I think it's funny that they added a handle. Maybe they're trying to woo Super-8 filmmakers? Makes me think of an old Yashica Super-8 I had.

Jesse Bekas · December 1st, 2004, 08:38 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi :
In any case, I think it's funny that they added a handle. Maybe they're trying to woo Super-8 filmmakers? Makes me think of an old Yashica Super-8 I had. -->>>

Dude! I am dying for that handle! It's awesome! (shhh [internet whispers]...now don't say anything else that might make Panny remove it) ;)

PS - It does inspire youthful dreams of auteurship doesn't it?

Chris Hurd · February 15th, 2005, 11:31 PM

Joonas Kiviharju wrote...

<< This picture clearly shows, that there will be TWO models, one MPEG and one DVCPRO-HD. >>

For what it's worth, these appear to be the same two prototype mock-ups that we saw at NAB2004, except in Las Vegas, one was labeled DVCPro HD and the other as DVCPro 50.

Maybe there are two different models after all?

Barry Green · February 16th, 2005, 12:15 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : Joonas Kiviharju wrote...

<< This picture clearly shows, that there will be TWO models, one MPEG and one DVCPRO-HD. >>

For what it's worth, these appear to be the same two prototype mock-ups that we saw at NAB2004, except in Las Vegas, one was labeled DVCPro HD and the other as DVCPro 50.

Maybe there are two different models after all? -->>>

Jan Crittenden of Panasonic has gone on record as saying that that mockup is not (repeat, not) the camera they're announcing at NAB.

Heath McKnight · February 16th, 2005, 08:48 AM

This gets more and more interesting.

heath

November 29th, 2004, 06:25 AM	#1
Adam Folickman Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 125	Panasonic HDV prosumer cam ? Check out this photo http://www.geocities.jp/sumi653/P2HD.jpg Is this what I think it is ? A Panna HD cam ? It is part of this web-site http://www.geocities.jp/sumi653/index.html Can anybody provide a translation of the Japanese please ?

November 29th, 2004, 06:37 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Panasonic is not a member of the HDV Format Consortium, so what they're doing is not HDV. However they probably have their own consumer high-definition thing in the works, who knows. The P2 format that you're referencing here allows for DVCPro HD video recording on removeable flash memory, which is an interesting and welcome step away from tape-based media. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 29th, 2004, 08:49 AM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	We had heard about this last year or earlier this year. It definitely looks cool, but I'm curious if there gonna market it to HDV users by pricing it sub-$5000. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 15th, 2005, 11:31 PM	#13
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Joonas Kiviharju wrote... << This picture clearly shows, that there will be TWO models, one MPEG and one DVCPRO-HD. >> For what it's worth, these appear to be the same two prototype mock-ups that we saw at NAB2004, except in Las Vegas, one was labeled DVCPro HD and the other as DVCPro 50. Maybe there are two different models after all? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 16th, 2005, 08:48 AM	#15
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	This gets more and more interesting. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 29th, 2004, 11:48 AM	#4
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	if it's really a dvcpro hd(100Mbps) camera, as it's marked on the outside, it will blow the doors off of hdv, if it's sold and priced in a prosumer package.

November 29th, 2004, 04:00 PM	#5
Brad Abrahams Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 65	Unfortunately, the spec sheet listed the video as Mpeg2.

November 29th, 2004, 05:18 PM	#6
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	Looks like a Photoshop mock up... But I guess from everything I've gleaned from the forums...Final Cut Pro already supports this format... Hmmm...

November 29th, 2004, 08:18 PM	#7
Kevin Dooley Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 414	I'm fairly certain it's not a Photoshop markup, I believe they had an actual physical mockup at either NAB or some other major convention and I've seen photos from that...I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I turned up something like that...maybe I saw the pics at camcorderinfo.com... I'm not sure... My question is, are P2 cards a reasonable recording format for a sub $5K camera? I haven't checked prices lately, but from what I remember about the pricing vs. memory size vs. recording time they were fairly...astronomically priced for a camera in this price range. Unless of course they've come way down since their introduction...

November 30th, 2004, 12:45 PM	#8
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	They definitely had a physical mockup...here's the link to more pix and an article... Panny P2 HD Mockup BTW - As flash memory gets faster and more advanced (which seems like a constantly evolving beast), prices keep dropping. I remember when I first got my flash thumbdrive a little over 1 year ago, I paid something $100+ for 128MB. I just saw a 1GB one on TigerDirect today for like $50. I'm assuming then that regular flash cards have been "evolving" at the same rate as well. Thats' 8X the memory for half the price (or less)! If prices continue to drop rapidly, a P2 system might be viable by the Summer (*Although the expected release date for this model is Fall 2006!). Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that you may need more than one 16GB card system to be able to shoot more than an hour of footage a day. If Panny was really smart, they'd adapt this thing into a HDD camcorder with a swapable media bay for the Spring, and then push the P2 upgrade the year after.

December 1st, 2004, 05:12 AM	#9
Joonas Kiviharju Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 52	I think it's not a Photoshop mockup, as it's been seen in reports from the InterBEE fair in Japan. This picture clearly shows, that there will be TWO models, one MPEG and one DVCPRO-HD. (Isn't DVCPRO-HD 960X720 ??? Or can it do bigger?) http://www.scn-net.ne.jp/~tdcjapan/bee2004/BIG0294.JPG Here's a link to some other photos from interBEE, scroll down to approx. the middle of the page to find the Panasonics: http://www.scn-net.ne.jp/~tdcjapan/bee2004/index.html

December 1st, 2004, 06:30 AM	#10
Hayden Rivers Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 53	I'm not really sure why they would want to do flash media when you can get a 40-60gb laptop harddrive for cheap these days. Do they want us to buy additional flash media? 16gb of flash is huge, but it's nothing in the harddrive world.

December 1st, 2004, 08:15 AM	#11
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	Panasonic makes some beautiful HD cameras, and even if they dumb it down for the prosumer level, I'm sure it will be quite a sweet thing. I'm betting they're trying to make a big come-back like they did when they suddenly made 24p the hottest buzzword of the last couple of years, and perhaps something like this is their attempt. In any case, I think it's funny that they added a handle. Maybe they're trying to woo Super-8 filmmakers? Makes me think of an old Yashica Super-8 I had.

December 1st, 2004, 08:38 AM	#12
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	<<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi : In any case, I think it's funny that they added a handle. Maybe they're trying to woo Super-8 filmmakers? Makes me think of an old Yashica Super-8 I had. -->>> Dude! I am dying for that handle! It's awesome! (shhh [internet whispers]...now don't say anything else that might make Panny remove it) ;) PS - It does inspire youthful dreams of auteurship doesn't it?

February 16th, 2005, 12:15 AM	#14
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd : Joonas Kiviharju wrote... << This picture clearly shows, that there will be TWO models, one MPEG and one DVCPRO-HD. >> For what it's worth, these appear to be the same two prototype mock-ups that we saw at NAB2004, except in Las Vegas, one was labeled DVCPro HD and the other as DVCPro 50. Maybe there are two different models after all? -->>> Jan Crittenden of Panasonic has gone on record as saying that that mockup is not (repeat, not) the camera they're announcing at NAB.