New E-P2 cards

TingSern Wong · May 23rd, 2009, 01:54 AM

64GB E-series available now? That's impossible. From their website (videokit.co.uk) ...

The 64GB E-Series P2 card will be available in August at a suggested list price of 720€.

Please read the website carefully :-).

Gary Nattrass · May 23rd, 2009, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

64GB E-series available now? That's impossible. From their website (videokit.co.uk) ...

The 64GB E-Series P2 card will be available in August at a suggested list price of 720€.

Please read the website carefully :-).

Sorry TingSern I stand corrected and I didnt read all the detail, I just looked on this page and saw that they are marked as available:H Preston

TingSern Wong · May 23rd, 2009, 02:32 AM

That's okay, Gary :-).

Tom Klein · May 23rd, 2009, 02:50 AM

Just found these releases re Fuji's E-series P2 card line up, they may be an alternative to pana's offerings, at least it's a choice some will explore.
Most likely they come from the same factory as Pana's ?

PR-USA.net - FUJIFILM Showcases New P2 Memory Cards at NAB 2009
FUJIFILM Showcases New P2 Memory Cards at NAB 2009
Fujifilm Expands Professional Video Portfolio with P2 Format | Reuters

may dump my 8gigs R-series and get some E-series 32's, as I shoot SD DVCPro50 64 gig would be overkill for me.

TingSern Wong · May 23rd, 2009, 02:58 AM

They don't see Fuji's P2 cards in Singapore. We can only get Panny's P2 cards.

For me, the 64GB E-P2 cards are heaven-sent :-). I shoot HD-720p (and sometimes, in the mountains / wilderness areas, for up to a month at a time) - so the 64GB means I don't need to carry so many P2 cards with me - and along with it, the possibility of dropping the P2 cards down a ravine.

Tom Klein · May 23rd, 2009, 03:03 AM

I bought a 32gig Fuji late last year here in OZ, interesting you can't get them in singapore, yes the first time i swapped out a card in the field my heart was pumping too, as I did not want to drop it >
Funny thing, you can buy a good used car here in OZ for the cost of a R-series card.

TingSern Wong · May 23rd, 2009, 03:24 AM

Yup - some things you can get Down Under - you can't find here. I think the importer isn't interested in Singapore market - too small (and too specialised) for them.

I just got myself 3 tapes ... DLT VS1 tapes that is - only one shop in Singapore sells it ... and took me months to hunt for it. And incidentally, BluRay recordables are still very rare here - about SIN$25 for one. However, DVD+/-R disks are very common (about SIN$20 for 55).

Right - back to E-P2 cards - yes, that's exactly my point of not trying to swap P2 cards in the field ... so, for me, the larger the capacity of the card, the better ... HVX172 can take 2 P2 cards - that's make it for 128GB (2 x 64GB) ... plenty of recording time for me. Now, hoping Panny can actually deliver that card on time .......

Tom Klein · May 23rd, 2009, 03:34 AM

Yes, I suppose that's why the US market gets the first bite of the cherry on new products, size matters as they say. we smaller markets get the dregs or old technology is dumped off here. someone once said to me "we are a dumping ground", maybe they were right.

I Just set up a Pioneer Blu-Ray burner on my Macpro (in an external USB and esata case ) cost was $280 AUD for the burner , small extra $'s for the ext case. using Toast Titanum Ten software, BR blanks are still expensive but will drop over time as have DVD's.

TingSern Wong · May 23rd, 2009, 03:46 AM

BluRay writer prices are okay. About $250 - $300 locally. It is the blanks that are expensive .. not sure if they are viable long term - given that one OZ researcher just did a 2,000 GB optical media (you did read that correctly - 2,000 GB) - and told Samsung to make the drives :-). Now, if we know the Koreans - they will be jumping up and down in bed ... given the opportunity to beat the rest of the world. We see in due course .......

Tom Klein · May 23rd, 2009, 03:53 AM

I have had the odd request for Blu-Ray so I decide to get a burner and have a play..still, much cheaper than my first DVD burner from memory I paid $1100 AUD, and with-in 12 months they were under $200.
but we all learnt so much. now DVD is great 99% of the time.

2000gig, whoa,that may shake the market, But I think DVD is here for some time yet, it's cheap and every man and his dog can burn / play them.

TingSern Wong · May 23rd, 2009, 03:57 AM

Understand your point. Locally, nobody is interested in BluRay at all. Not even large companies. DVDs are good enough for them. Most of them only has SD players - no HD. Hence, no use for BluRay for me right now.

Noah Kadner · May 23rd, 2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Klein

Hi TingSern Wong

sounds like you don't want it "Both Ways", a good question, I think that for 99% of P2 users the E-series cards will be fine, Every thing has a "Use BY" date, even the Highest quality, Highest priced R-series cards won't last forever they may fail any time also. I bet most R-series are redundant prior to being "worn-out", there is most likely a better/cheaper medium for aquisition on the drawing boards already.
Only wish the E-series were out prior to me purchasing three 32's and four 8's, all R-series, all very expensive.

E-series card buyers will turn a profit much faster than us early investors in P2.

Cheers

That's fine but I've personally never, ever seen a Flash card, P2 or SDHC card stop working. I thought the whole point of this technology was no moving parts, lasts forever. So the idea of artificially limiting a card's life span to a specific number of cycles is about profit, not about 'protecting' users from some sort of failure.

If a memory fails on it's own, that's fine. It happens once and you'll know about it immediately and get another when. But why should it fail just because the software tells it to? Imagine if you bought a computer that said on the box, will stop working in exactly two years to protect you from experiencing the potential of a natural failure. Wouldn't you feel kinda gypped?

-Noah

Daniel Weber · May 23rd, 2009, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Klein

my first DVD burner from memory I paid $1100 AUD, and with-in 12 months they were under $200.

The company I worked for paid $5000 for the first Pioneer burner on the market (it burned DVD (A) discs.) It think it would have been around 1998 or 1999.

Daniel Weber

Giroud Francois · May 23rd, 2009, 03:12 PM

"If a memory fails on it's own, that's fine"
Yep, any piece of electronic must fail one day or another.
So if the manufacturer does limit the lifetime of such device to a predefined time or cycle, it is to make sure it does not happen randomly (and some law says it always be at the worst moment).
So they can print on the package, that the memory is ok for 50.000 write cycle and you know that there is very little chances that will happen before.
on the other hand, you can guess that some cards "could" operate properly on 70.000 write cycle or even more. But chances there would be a failure will go up significantly too.
I am not sure people would accept that.

Tom Klein · May 24th, 2009, 02:46 AM

Hello Daniel,

From Memory my First DVD Burner was the Pioneer A01, it made many many coasters out of $35 AUD blank DVD's , This early foray into DVD , yes back in the last millenium, was an expensive exercise indeed.
was yours a Video disc burner , $5000 sounds over the top..
Cheers

May 23rd, 2009, 02:50 AM	#19
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Just found these releases re Fuji's E-series P2 card line up, they may be an alternative to pana's offerings, at least it's a choice some will explore. Most likely they come from the same factory as Pana's ? PR-USA.net - FUJIFILM Showcases New P2 Memory Cards at NAB 2009 FUJIFILM Showcases New P2 Memory Cards at NAB 2009 Fujifilm Expands Professional Video Portfolio with P2 Format \| Reuters may dump my 8gigs R-series and get some E-series 32's, as I shoot SD DVCPro50 64 gig would be overkill for me. __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

May 23rd, 2009, 03:03 AM	#21
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	I bought a 32gig Fuji late last year here in OZ, interesting you can't get them in singapore, yes the first time i swapped out a card in the field my heart was pumping too, as I did not want to drop it > Funny thing, you can buy a good used car here in OZ for the cost of a R-series card. __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

May 23rd, 2009, 03:34 AM	#23
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Yes, I suppose that's why the US market gets the first bite of the cherry on new products, size matters as they say. we smaller markets get the dregs or old technology is dumped off here. someone once said to me "we are a dumping ground", maybe they were right. I Just set up a Pioneer Blu-Ray burner on my Macpro (in an external USB and esata case ) cost was $280 AUD for the burner , small extra $'s for the ext case. using Toast Titanum Ten software, BR blanks are still expensive but will drop over time as have DVD's. __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

May 23rd, 2009, 03:53 AM	#25
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	I have had the odd request for Blu-Ray so I decide to get a burner and have a play..still, much cheaper than my first DVD burner from memory I paid $1100 AUD, and with-in 12 months they were under $200. but we all learnt so much. now DVD is great 99% of the time. 2000gig, whoa,that may shake the market, But I think DVD is here for some time yet, it's cheap and every man and his dog can burn / play them. __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

May 24th, 2009, 02:46 AM	#30
Tom Klein Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Vic Posts: 160	Hello Daniel, From Memory my First DVD Burner was the Pioneer A01, it made many many coasters out of $35 AUD blank DVD's , This early foray into DVD , yes back in the last millenium, was an expensive exercise indeed. was yours a Video disc burner , $5000 sounds over the top.. Cheers __________________ Tom K www.olinevideo.com.au

May 23rd, 2009, 01:54 AM	#16
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	64GB E-series available now? That's impossible. From their website (videokit.co.uk) ... The 64GB E-Series P2 card will be available in August at a suggested list price of 720€. Please read the website carefully :-).

May 23rd, 2009, 02:32 AM	#18
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	That's okay, Gary :-).

May 23rd, 2009, 02:58 AM	#20
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	They don't see Fuji's P2 cards in Singapore. We can only get Panny's P2 cards. For me, the 64GB E-P2 cards are heaven-sent :-). I shoot HD-720p (and sometimes, in the mountains / wilderness areas, for up to a month at a time) - so the 64GB means I don't need to carry so many P2 cards with me - and along with it, the possibility of dropping the P2 cards down a ravine.

May 23rd, 2009, 03:24 AM	#22
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Yup - some things you can get Down Under - you can't find here. I think the importer isn't interested in Singapore market - too small (and too specialised) for them. I just got myself 3 tapes ... DLT VS1 tapes that is - only one shop in Singapore sells it ... and took me months to hunt for it. And incidentally, BluRay recordables are still very rare here - about SIN$25 for one. However, DVD+/-R disks are very common (about SIN$20 for 55). Right - back to E-P2 cards - yes, that's exactly my point of not trying to swap P2 cards in the field ... so, for me, the larger the capacity of the card, the better ... HVX172 can take 2 P2 cards - that's make it for 128GB (2 x 64GB) ... plenty of recording time for me. Now, hoping Panny can actually deliver that card on time .......

May 23rd, 2009, 03:46 AM	#24
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	BluRay writer prices are okay. About $250 - $300 locally. It is the blanks that are expensive .. not sure if they are viable long term - given that one OZ researcher just did a 2,000 GB optical media (you did read that correctly - 2,000 GB) - and told Samsung to make the drives :-). Now, if we know the Koreans - they will be jumping up and down in bed ... given the opportunity to beat the rest of the world. We see in due course .......

May 23rd, 2009, 03:57 AM	#26
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Understand your point. Locally, nobody is interested in BluRay at all. Not even large companies. DVDs are good enough for them. Most of them only has SD players - no HD. Hence, no use for BluRay for me right now.

May 23rd, 2009, 03:12 PM	#29
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	"If a memory fails on it's own, that's fine" Yep, any piece of electronic must fail one day or another. So if the manufacturer does limit the lifetime of such device to a predefined time or cycle, it is to make sure it does not happen randomly (and some law says it always be at the worst moment). So they can print on the package, that the memory is ok for 50.000 write cycle and you know that there is very little chances that will happen before. on the other hand, you can guess that some cards "could" operate properly on 70.000 write cycle or even more. But chances there would be a failure will go up significantly too. I am not sure people would accept that.