GH5 - Aggressively Crushed Blacks?

Simon Denny · May 9th, 2017, 05:40 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking also Ron.

Cheers mate.

Cliff Totten · May 9th, 2017, 07:27 PM

It's not how low the blacks go. To my eye, the rec709-ish profiles just seem to fall off fast in the last 10 or 15%. It just seems to have a steep slope right near the bottom. I come from Sony which seems to protect the low end more. (but blows highlights easier) Granted, their sensors are doing 14 stops so it's a couple more than the GH5.

I dont know, it's not "bad", it's just a "look" that I think Panny is going for. They seem to like the look of strong shadows. It does give a contrasty "bold" look. I tend to lift my blacks and turn them into "very dark greys" to uncover any detail that I can in them. If there is nothing in them, than I drop them back down.

After reviewing a couple of hours of rec709 profiles vs. Vlog, I think it's just a rec709 Panny look, that's all.

CT

Simon Denny · May 9th, 2017, 09:59 PM

Yes, I also have come form Sony gear and the Panasonic tends to be heavier in the low I reckon, just gota get used to it I guess.

So far with picture profiles I have been testing re testing and have now settled (I THINK) on Cinelike D with contrast on minus 2 or 3. Different light really affects the look so It's hard to settle on something.

Ron Evans · May 10th, 2017, 05:40 AM

All my other cameras are Sony too. The consumer AX53 sits close to 0 ire ( 16 RGB ) but the NX5U, NX30U or FDR-AX1 sit closer to 5 or 7 IRE to 109 range, which I always have to bring down to get rich blacks. So I always have to underexpose most of the Sony's to avoid clipping highlights. I find the GH5 in "like 709" sits close to the proper range in my projects so far more like the AX53 but with much deeper colour. In a multicam mix with AX53, AX100, NX5U I pulled down the colour on the GH5 and NX5U to match the others. I have not played with fine detail settings yet. My poor old NX5U definitely is the weaker camera now !!! I do love the controls though.

May 9th, 2017, 05:40 PM	#16
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Re: GH5 - Aggressively Crushed Blacks? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking also Ron. Cheers mate.

May 9th, 2017, 07:27 PM	#17
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: GH5 - Aggressively Crushed Blacks? It's not how low the blacks go. To my eye, the rec709-ish profiles just seem to fall off fast in the last 10 or 15%. It just seems to have a steep slope right near the bottom. I come from Sony which seems to protect the low end more. (but blows highlights easier) Granted, their sensors are doing 14 stops so it's a couple more than the GH5. I dont know, it's not "bad", it's just a "look" that I think Panny is going for. They seem to like the look of strong shadows. It does give a contrasty "bold" look. I tend to lift my blacks and turn them into "very dark greys" to uncover any detail that I can in them. If there is nothing in them, than I drop them back down. After reviewing a couple of hours of rec709 profiles vs. Vlog, I think it's just a rec709 Panny look, that's all. CT

May 9th, 2017, 09:59 PM	#18
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Re: GH5 - Aggressively Crushed Blacks? Yes, I also have come form Sony gear and the Panasonic tends to be heavier in the low I reckon, just gota get used to it I guess. So far with picture profiles I have been testing re testing and have now settled (I THINK) on Cinelike D with contrast on minus 2 or 3. Different light really affects the look so It's hard to settle on something. Last edited by Simon Denny; May 10th, 2017 at 01:15 AM.

May 10th, 2017, 05:40 AM	#19
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Re: GH5 - Aggressively Crushed Blacks? All my other cameras are Sony too. The consumer AX53 sits close to 0 ire ( 16 RGB ) but the NX5U, NX30U or FDR-AX1 sit closer to 5 or 7 IRE to 109 range, which I always have to bring down to get rich blacks. So I always have to underexpose most of the Sony's to avoid clipping highlights. I find the GH5 in "like 709" sits close to the proper range in my projects so far more like the AX53 but with much deeper colour. In a multicam mix with AX53, AX100, NX5U I pulled down the colour on the GH5 and NX5U to match the others. I have not played with fine detail settings yet. My poor old NX5U definitely is the weaker camera now !!! I do love the controls though.