DVX100 vs.... 16mm film

Yang Wen · May 18th, 2003, 09:13 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Stephen van Vuuren : Why do you think the reviewers gave the DVX100 a balanced, fair and favorable review and your conclusion is the review makes it look bad. If your conclusion is based only the web jpg's, while you are entitled to your opinion, it's hardly one that will carry much weight with me. -->>>

Read my post before you responde Stephen, I said it looks good by itself, but compared to film it doesn't measure up. How can you even expect this 4:1:1 miniDV cam to hold up to film!?!

Don Donatello · May 18th, 2003, 01:07 PM

"How can you even expect this 4:1:1 miniDV cam to hold up to film"

everybody compares these hand size DV pro consumer camera's to FILM ... IMO the most limiting factor for DV and ALL video is the NTSC /PAL format itself. 4:1:1 , 4:2:2 are both limited by NTSC/PAL.. you can't get any more then X lines of resolution ( limitation of NTSC/PAL ) ... so why do so many settle for this limitation ( 525 lines resolution ) when they plan to take it to the BIG screen ( where 2000 lines is what they really want) ?

from looking at the photo comparisions i do have to admit that the DVX 100 gives you the most bang for your $$ ...

also i just read in todays paper that the landmark thearter chain will be installing digital projectors into ALL their theaters ... landmark also has a distribution arm that picks up independent projects = no film print to play in their chain.

Glenn Gipson · May 18th, 2003, 03:10 PM

I've seen the DVX100 blown up to 35mm with my own eyes, and it does come close to 16mm.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...Blowup+to+35mm

Rob Lohman · May 20th, 2003, 03:07 PM

Now if they had posted the original TIFF images....

Yang Wen · May 20th, 2003, 03:12 PM

well both the DVX100 images and the Film caps were all encoded by JPEG so the same amount of degradation would be applied to both. I doubt the ASC ppl purposely degraded the DVX100 caps to make it look bad

Rob Lohman · May 20th, 2003, 03:23 PM

That is not what I meant. I just would have liked to take a look
at the uncompressed TIFF's to better judge the difference. I'm
not saying that they did a different compression on one or the
other....

Yang Wen · May 20th, 2003, 03:33 PM

http://www.ywenzstudios.com/PanaEZ30cap.jpg

Here is an unmodifed snapshot of a video shot with the PanaEZ30 that I was talking about earlier. Just to show how far an image can go with some in-camera adjust ment. This setting would look much much nicer on the DVX100. The girl came out a little bit dark because she was sitting in the shadow.

Marc Martin · May 22nd, 2003, 02:13 AM

If i can had my modest contribution, this is what can be done with the XM2 (Gl2):

http://marc5532b.free.fr/file/choupette2.jpg

This is the raw picture with no correction.
Taken with zoom in tape mode, interlaced (not a photo)

Rob Lohman · May 22nd, 2003, 07:14 AM

Nice ... cat.. Marc!

Keith Loh · May 22nd, 2003, 09:51 AM

Wow, that's great cat!

Yang Wen · May 22nd, 2003, 10:24 AM

i want to hear it meow, please post audio as well!

Marc Martin · May 22nd, 2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

i want to hear it meow, please post audio as well!

I have 4 cats and this is the only one that don't miaow ! But it can do ron-ron:
http://marc5532b.free.fr/choupette.mp3

If you want to hear miaow, there's "Diablotin"
Look: http://marc5532b.free.fr/diablotin5.jpg
and hear: http://marc5532b.free.fr/diablotin.mp3

Rick Spilman · May 22nd, 2003, 05:43 PM

So, I guess know we are officially off-topic.

That is a good looking cat.

Keith Loh · May 23rd, 2003, 10:18 AM

Another great cat!

Did you edit together all those miaows or were you squeezing the poor thing?

That purr sound is amazing. It sounds like an alien signal.

Yang Wen · May 23rd, 2003, 10:36 AM

Now that you've brought it up, lets hear some alien signals!

May 20th, 2003, 03:07 PM	#19
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May 20th, 2003, 03:23 PM	#21
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That is not what I meant. I just would have liked to take a look at the uncompressed TIFF's to better judge the difference. I'm not saying that they did a different compression on one or the other.... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 22nd, 2003, 07:14 AM	#24
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Nice ... cat.. Marc! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

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May 23rd, 2003, 10:18 AM	#29
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Another great cat! Did you edit together all those miaows or were you squeezing the poor thing? That purr sound is amazing. It sounds like an alien signal. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

May 18th, 2003, 09:13 AM	#16
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	<<<-- Originally posted by Stephen van Vuuren : Why do you think the reviewers gave the DVX100 a balanced, fair and favorable review and your conclusion is the review makes it look bad. If your conclusion is based only the web jpg's, while you are entitled to your opinion, it's hardly one that will carry much weight with me. -->>> Read my post before you responde Stephen, I said it looks good by itself, but compared to film it doesn't measure up. How can you even expect this 4:1:1 miniDV cam to hold up to film!?!

May 18th, 2003, 01:07 PM	#17
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	"How can you even expect this 4:1:1 miniDV cam to hold up to film" everybody compares these hand size DV pro consumer camera's to FILM ... IMO the most limiting factor for DV and ALL video is the NTSC /PAL format itself. 4:1:1 , 4:2:2 are both limited by NTSC/PAL.. you can't get any more then X lines of resolution ( limitation of NTSC/PAL ) ... so why do so many settle for this limitation ( 525 lines resolution ) when they plan to take it to the BIG screen ( where 2000 lines is what they really want) ? from looking at the photo comparisions i do have to admit that the DVX 100 gives you the most bang for your $$ ... also i just read in todays paper that the landmark thearter chain will be installing digital projectors into ALL their theaters ... landmark also has a distribution arm that picks up independent projects = no film print to play in their chain.

May 18th, 2003, 03:10 PM	#18
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	I've seen the DVX100 blown up to 35mm with my own eyes, and it does come close to 16mm. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...Blowup+to+35mm

May 20th, 2003, 03:12 PM	#20
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	well both the DVX100 images and the Film caps were all encoded by JPEG so the same amount of degradation would be applied to both. I doubt the ASC ppl purposely degraded the DVX100 caps to make it look bad

May 20th, 2003, 03:33 PM	#22
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	http://www.ywenzstudios.com/PanaEZ30cap.jpg Here is an unmodifed snapshot of a video shot with the PanaEZ30 that I was talking about earlier. Just to show how far an image can go with some in-camera adjust ment. This setting would look much much nicer on the DVX100. The girl came out a little bit dark because she was sitting in the shadow.

May 22nd, 2003, 02:13 AM	#23
Marc Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 80	If i can had my modest contribution, this is what can be done with the XM2 (Gl2): http://marc5532b.free.fr/file/choupette2.jpg This is the raw picture with no correction. Taken with zoom in tape mode, interlaced (not a photo)

May 22nd, 2003, 10:24 AM	#26
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	i want to hear it meow, please post audio as well!

May 22nd, 2003, 05:43 PM	#28
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	So, I guess know we are officially off-topic. That is a good looking cat.

May 23rd, 2003, 10:36 AM	#30
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Now that you've brought it up, lets hear some alien signals!