Confusing AG-DVC30 Filter Size Question at DVinfo.net

Steve Rosswick · May 25th, 2007, 07:25 PM

Okay... this is mildly confusing for me.

I finally got around to getting some filters for my DVC30, only to be a bit perplexed by the ring sizing.

I bought some 58mm Filters, and a Step-Up Ring 43mm > 58mm.

The ring will not fit UNDER the lens hood, due to the large diameter of the 58mm ring, however a 56mm or smaller filter would fit. The only problem I see with this, is you cannot stack filters if you plan on using the Lens Hood that comes with the DVC30, right?

Second Part = The DVC30's lens hood has a filter ring in it, however it is not stated what size it is, and 43mm is too small, while 58mm is too large.

What size is the outer (Hood) ring? You can stack filters there, but I have no idea what size it is.

Anyone else having trouble with using filters with the DVC30? It just seems a little too complicated to me....

Edward Carlson · May 25th, 2007, 09:09 PM

First answer: No, you can not stack filters. The only way to do so is if you use thin filters, then maybe you could get 2.
Seconds answer: No, the stock hood is not threaded, although the slots for the lens cap are 72 mm apart. The lens hood that comes with the DVC30 fits my 72 mm lens.

Steve Rosswick · May 25th, 2007, 10:26 PM

So I could realistically do 2 (maybe) filters on the 43mm threads, and a 72mm filter using the lens cap slots?

If that's the case, sign me up, hehe. Thanks Edward!

Edward Carlson · May 25th, 2007, 10:29 PM

Unfortunately the slots on the hood are only for the cap. The aren't threads, just slots that the tabs on the lens cap fit into. I haven't tried two regular 43 mm filters, but maybe two thin (wide angle) filters would fit.

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · June 2nd, 2007, 05:38 PM

Cokin has a integrated filter system wich is a possible solution.
I have a 43mm UV always on and the DVC30 hood can be attached also upon this. When I remove the stock lens-hood I use the 43mm cokin ring and next the
A series filter holder where you can mount 4 filters.
The only problem I'm facing is when I try to rotate the polarizer my fingers are messing with the camera's ring (but using an extention ring will extend the gap between them.
Another thing is that they have an extra lens-hood (wich I've ordered)
I got all these 5 parts (UV-ring-filter holder-polarizer-ND) for 70something euros here in Greece. With the use of another ring w/ the desirable diameter you can use everything with another camcorder or digital camera.
http://www.cokin.com/ico15-A.html

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · June 2nd, 2007, 05:59 PM

here are some photos too...

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · June 2nd, 2007, 06:01 PM

and a few more

Anmol Mishra · June 18th, 2007, 05:37 PM

Hi! What model did you order for the DVC30 ? Thanks!

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · June 19th, 2007, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anmol Mishra

Hi! What model did you order for the DVC30 ? Thanks!

Hi Anmol
here's what I've got for the dvc30:
-43mm UV filter (always on - it also helps to screw the next element of the system)
-43mm adaptor ring for the A series
-"A series" Cokin filter holder
-"A series" circular polarizer
-ND A152 (2X)
-and Cokin A255 modular hood (two pieces which are fit together as one)

these are the exact models for each element.

but if you own or planning to have a camera with bigger lens diameter, put an adaptor ring 43 to 58mm, say, between the UV and the Cokin Ring and then go for the P series.

Anmol Mishra · June 19th, 2007, 06:46 AM

Thanks for the info. Heres another question.
When you go really really wide on the DVC30, WITHOUT a wide angle lens, is it a problem with the A series Cokin ?
With a wide angle lens adapter, is it still a problem ? Just checking before I shell out the money..
Still havent decided between A and P series.
Also I assume that I can still attach a hood over the rig, whether using A or P and my DVC30 lens will still be protected.

Anmol Mishra · June 19th, 2007, 07:06 AM

:-) Since I have you as my filter expert, one more question. The ND and polarizer can give more saturation or warm tone outdoors. Is there an equivalent that allows for the same indoors where I can only use work lights (the harsh white light) ? I was looking for more saturated colors and more "film look" - shallower DOF.
I read somewhere that white balancing with a bluish white card helps. Never tried it.

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · June 19th, 2007, 09:44 AM

well Anmol
going wide but without a wide lens adapter is not a problem at all when using the whole cokin system and even with two modular lens hoods in a raw.
I suggest you buy the P series because when using a wide angle adapter the A series wont fit on it (because usually wide angle adapters have 58mm thread and over) so the biggest ring for the A series is about 62mm so I don't recommend it. plus with the P series and a couple of rings you can use the system on another bigger camera than the 30 ;-) This is the main reason I regret on the A series.
check out the adaptor ring chart http://www.cokin.com/ico2-p1.html
About indoors filter usage, I don't recommend it because every filter in front of your lens is "eating" f-stops, useful light.
White balancing is the best method for indoor shooting but then you have to avoid external daylight(if there is any) because it is going to show strange.
Remember that inside the scene files of the DVC30 there is an extra setting for the color temperature.

Vasilis Stamkopoulos · June 19th, 2007, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anmol Mishra

...I was looking for more saturated colors and more "film look" - shallower DOF.

as you mentioned shallow DOF, with the dvc30 as with most camcorders in this category the more light you let in the better. Having to zoom from 50-100% and take the appropriate distance from your subject, the lens by itself makes the image darker so you need to have iris as open as possible hence filters are not so suitable not for this 1/4"ccds camcorder with a situation like this.
But DOF is a huge issue anyway...
cheers

Anmol Mishra · June 19th, 2007, 06:48 PM

Thanks for all that. But when I checked for 43mm wide angle adapters on google, I actually found a few.
Would it work with the 43mm wide angle adapters ? If there is a screw on the other side ?

Anmol Mishra · June 19th, 2007, 10:07 PM

Figured it out. Even if the inside thread of the wide angle is 43mm the outer thread will still be at least 58mm.
Cool! Time to go shopping now..

May 25th, 2007, 07:25 PM	#1
Steve Rosswick New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 10	Confusing AG-DVC30 Filter Size Question Okay... this is mildly confusing for me. I finally got around to getting some filters for my DVC30, only to be a bit perplexed by the ring sizing. I bought some 58mm Filters, and a Step-Up Ring 43mm > 58mm. The ring will not fit UNDER the lens hood, due to the large diameter of the 58mm ring, however a 56mm or smaller filter would fit. The only problem I see with this, is you cannot stack filters if you plan on using the Lens Hood that comes with the DVC30, right? Second Part = The DVC30's lens hood has a filter ring in it, however it is not stated what size it is, and 43mm is too small, while 58mm is too large. What size is the outer (Hood) ring? You can stack filters there, but I have no idea what size it is. Anyone else having trouble with using filters with the DVC30? It just seems a little too complicated to me....

May 25th, 2007, 10:26 PM	#3
Steve Rosswick New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 10	So I could realistically do 2 (maybe) filters on the 43mm threads, and a 72mm filter using the lens cap slots? If that's the case, sign me up, hehe. Thanks Edward! __________________ www.Rosswick.com www.myspace.com/steverosswick

June 2nd, 2007, 05:38 PM	#5
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	check this out Cokin has a integrated filter system wich is a possible solution. I have a 43mm UV always on and the DVC30 hood can be attached also upon this. When I remove the stock lens-hood I use the 43mm cokin ring and next the A series filter holder where you can mount 4 filters. The only problem I'm facing is when I try to rotate the polarizer my fingers are messing with the camera's ring (but using an extention ring will extend the gap between them. Another thing is that they have an extra lens-hood (wich I've ordered) I got all these 5 parts (UV-ring-filter holder-polarizer-ND) for 70something euros here in Greece. With the use of another ring w/ the desirable diameter you can use everything with another camcorder or digital camera. http://www.cokin.com/ico15-A.html Last edited by Vasilis Stamkopoulos; June 3rd, 2007 at 04:52 AM.

June 2nd, 2007, 05:59 PM	#6
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	sample-photos here are some photos too... Attached Thumbnails

June 2nd, 2007, 06:01 PM	#7
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	and a few more and a few more Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Vasilis Stamkopoulos; June 2nd, 2007 at 06:09 PM. Reason: new pictures

May 25th, 2007, 09:09 PM	#2
Edward Carlson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA, United States Posts: 807	First answer: No, you can not stack filters. The only way to do so is if you use thin filters, then maybe you could get 2. Seconds answer: No, the stock hood is not threaded, although the slots for the lens cap are 72 mm apart. The lens hood that comes with the DVC30 fits my 72 mm lens.

May 25th, 2007, 10:29 PM	#4
Edward Carlson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA, United States Posts: 807	Unfortunately the slots on the hood are only for the cap. The aren't threads, just slots that the tabs on the lens cap fit into. I haven't tried two regular 43 mm filters, but maybe two thin (wide angle) filters would fit.

June 18th, 2007, 05:37 PM	#8
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Cokin model Hi! What model did you order for the DVC30 ? Thanks!

June 19th, 2007, 06:46 AM	#10
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Lens diameter Thanks for the info. Heres another question. When you go really really wide on the DVC30, WITHOUT a wide angle lens, is it a problem with the A series Cokin ? With a wide angle lens adapter, is it still a problem ? Just checking before I shell out the money.. Still havent decided between A and P series. Also I assume that I can still attach a hood over the rig, whether using A or P and my DVC30 lens will still be protected.

June 19th, 2007, 07:06 AM	#11
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	More filters? :-) Since I have you as my filter expert, one more question. The ND and polarizer can give more saturation or warm tone outdoors. Is there an equivalent that allows for the same indoors where I can only use work lights (the harsh white light) ? I was looking for more saturated colors and more "film look" - shallower DOF. I read somewhere that white balancing with a bluish white card helps. Never tried it.

June 19th, 2007, 09:44 AM	#12
Vasilis Stamkopoulos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 31	well Anmol going wide but without a wide lens adapter is not a problem at all when using the whole cokin system and even with two modular lens hoods in a raw. I suggest you buy the P series because when using a wide angle adapter the A series wont fit on it (because usually wide angle adapters have 58mm thread and over) so the biggest ring for the A series is about 62mm so I don't recommend it. plus with the P series and a couple of rings you can use the system on another bigger camera than the 30 ;-) This is the main reason I regret on the A series. check out the adaptor ring chart http://www.cokin.com/ico2-p1.html About indoors filter usage, I don't recommend it because every filter in front of your lens is "eating" f-stops, useful light. White balancing is the best method for indoor shooting but then you have to avoid external daylight(if there is any) because it is going to show strange. Remember that inside the scene files of the DVC30 there is an extra setting for the color temperature.

June 19th, 2007, 06:48 PM	#14
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Thanks for all that. But when I checked for 43mm wide angle adapters on google, I actually found a few. Would it work with the 43mm wide angle adapters ? If there is a screw on the other side ?

June 19th, 2007, 10:07 PM	#15
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Got my answer Figured it out. Even if the inside thread of the wide angle is 43mm the outer thread will still be at least 58mm. Cool! Time to go shopping now..