Room 214 trailer.... at DVinfo.net

Marc Higa · May 7th, 2003, 12:12 AM

Just finished my Teaser trailer for my new movie shot with the DVX100 tell me what you think...

http://www.modernartpictures.com/214trailerteaser.html

Marc

Bob Benkosky · May 7th, 2003, 12:54 AM

It has a porno kinda quality to it. I'm kinda glad I have not bought a camera yet.

I'm going to be straight with you here. It looks horrible. I've seen others post stuff on here before and maybe they fix some stuff in post, but it just looks like old school home videotape to me. The credits looked better.

If that's the 24p everyone is talking about, wow.... I'll stay clear of that.

Some dude posted a little commercial/experiment from a XL1 that looked so much better. It also had a few effects from After Effects but that's not why I liked it. The slow panning he did and the overall image looked more like film than this, hard to explain why.
His colors were better and it wasn't as amaturish looking for some reason.

I'm not saying you are a bad director, but either that camera sucks, or the lighting was done completely wrong and washed everything out. If I was to shoot something with a GL2 or Vx1000 that looked like that, I just might give up on being a filmmaker because ther's no way I myself would be satisfied by that footage.
That's me personally. I'm not trying to bring you down, I just have a certain eye for quality, and I don't see it here.

I'm not sure what they used, but if you want to see a good quality film check out the final contestants in project greenlight.

www.projectgreenlight.com

Check out the film by Joe Otting - Chicago, IL

I'm saying that I'd be happy to make a movie look like that quality wise.

It didn't win the contest but had the best looking one in the bunch.

The winners used a worse quality film but had good special effects with humor.

Ken Tanaka · May 7th, 2003, 01:02 AM

It looks pretty good to me, Marc. Quite professional. The footage looks smooth and "filmic", at least at that resolution. Good music teaser, too. It made me want to see the whole thing.

If I had to make any suggestions (and these are really picayune) not having seen the whole film (of course) and not knowing what footage you have, it would be as follows.

1. I might have chosen a different shot of the father(?), perhaps catching a moment when he moved his gaze up from his drink on the bar to someone across from him. Just a shot that gives us a glimpse of tired pain in his eyes, if that's consistent with the story.

2. The final shot of the mother(?) with that slight, pained smile might have been more powerful as a 2-shot showing the son(?) slightly out of the focus field with his head down a bit against his clasped hands holding the cigarette.

But these are just my off-the-cuff impressions knowing nothing about the actual film.

What I think I gleaned from the trailer was that this is a story about a disfunctional family at risk of liver and lung disease <g>. Am I close? When will the whole film be finished and where can we see it?

Josh Bass · May 7th, 2003, 04:14 AM

I'll second Ken on the quality. Looks real nice to me. . .maybe Bob saw a different trailer?

John Locke · May 7th, 2003, 04:50 AM

Nice job, Marc. I especially like the lighting in the bar.

The trailer's a success in that I want to see the rest of the film...

Glenn Gipson · May 7th, 2003, 05:09 AM

>>If I was to shoot something with a GL2 or Vx1000 that looked like that, I just might give up on being a filmmaker<<

Looks good to me...I guess I need to give up filmmaking now...

Rob Lohman · May 7th, 2003, 06:14 AM

Looked very nice here too! Very interested to see the rest indeed.

Very nice work!

I don't know as well were Bob is coming from. Perhaps is player
was screwing up or something?

Bob Benkosky · May 7th, 2003, 08:03 AM

Look, go compare it to some other things and I guess you'll see my reasonings for not liking the quality. I think it's mainly the dark layer over the film.

If you don't compare it to projectgreenlight, then you can't have an idea of what I am comparing it to.

Glen Elliott · May 7th, 2003, 08:04 AM

Bobs running a 486 with a 2 meg intergraded videocard. Heck, even the icons on his desktop look terrible. I'm mainly suprised he waited the time it took to load the clip on his 9600 baud modem.

LoL, on a serious note Bob, you were a bit harsh- granted I haven't seen the trailer yet, as I'm viewing these forums at work and their media player is from the dark-ages. I saw some of Marc's other work and it looked pretty good to me. Now it's not professional quality, but who is expecting that. They guy is trying to get started with this whole filmaking thing. Maybe you can add some more "constructive" critism rather than tear him down. And honestly it's a bit rough to compare him against freikin' finalists at Project Greenlight- those guys were weeded out of thousands. The best of the best of the BEST.

Marc, I'll check it out as soon as I get home and provide some insite.

I'm actually excited to see a young filmaker working with the same camera I own- kinda gives me inspiration.
Now I'm even more reluctant to post any of my work on the board- I might get flamed!

Akos Szemenyei · May 7th, 2003, 08:11 AM

Well, I have to agree with Bob to a degree, but I don't think it's the camera. The thing I reacted to was that the framing is off, and that the images are to close. Then, the lighting is flat and removes all the "3D" feel. The bar room was alright, but the lighting is still a little flat and the framing is off.

And last, the trailer itself didn't make me interested in this movie at all, maybe if you had more shots and a little more conflict it would be more interesting.

I don't mean to bash you, the movie still might be really good, but it just doesn't come across as it is right now.

Remember, this is only my opinion and I could be wrong.

Regards

Akos

Bob Benkosky · May 7th, 2003, 08:34 AM

You see I'm not the only one who thinks it's flat. I was writing another post, then my modem went out for some reason.

I was trying to explain that the scenes were a bit dark to me. The best scene was the bar scene as far as looks go. I didn't see alot of movement on the shots, if any.

If you want a trailer to draw us in, put a little action in there somewhere. I'd like to see the untouched footage to compare.

Glenn Gipson · May 7th, 2003, 09:01 AM

>>If that's the 24p everyone is talking about, wow.... I'll stay clear of that.<<

Then I guess you’ll be staying clear of film to, since that’s essentially 24p. Seems to me like somebody has an axe to grind against the DVX100, more so then the trailer at hand. No one ever claimed that 24p makes you into a film master.

Russell Pond · May 7th, 2003, 09:19 AM

Marc,

Can you enlighten us to the settings you used? 24P Advanced, standard, Cinegamma settings, 16x9 crop or anamorphic lens, etc.

Thanks for sharing with us.
Russell

Rob Lohman · May 7th, 2003, 10:49 AM

Bob,

Is it the movie in this list?

Glen Elliott · May 7th, 2003, 04:10 PM

Ok, finally got a chance to check it out. Talk about teaser- there were only like 4 quick shots of footage. Not really much to base a good opinion on it visually in my opinion. I do agree though that the black pedistol might have been lowered to much. The darks almost engulf the screen. The quick shot of the father looked best lighted. I'd have to see more to really guage the quality.
So far so good though, I wish Marc the best of luck with everything.

May 7th, 2003, 12:12 AM	#1
Marc Higa Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 38	Room 214 trailer.... Just finished my Teaser trailer for my new movie shot with the DVX100 tell me what you think... http://www.modernartpictures.com/214trailerteaser.html Marc

May 7th, 2003, 12:54 AM	#2
Bob Benkosky Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Park, Florida Posts: 202	It has a porno kinda quality to it. I'm kinda glad I have not bought a camera yet. I'm going to be straight with you here. It looks horrible. I've seen others post stuff on here before and maybe they fix some stuff in post, but it just looks like old school home videotape to me. The credits looked better. If that's the 24p everyone is talking about, wow.... I'll stay clear of that. Some dude posted a little commercial/experiment from a XL1 that looked so much better. It also had a few effects from After Effects but that's not why I liked it. The slow panning he did and the overall image looked more like film than this, hard to explain why. His colors were better and it wasn't as amaturish looking for some reason. I'm not saying you are a bad director, but either that camera sucks, or the lighting was done completely wrong and washed everything out. If I was to shoot something with a GL2 or Vx1000 that looked like that, I just might give up on being a filmmaker because ther's no way I myself would be satisfied by that footage. That's me personally. I'm not trying to bring you down, I just have a certain eye for quality, and I don't see it here. I'm not sure what they used, but if you want to see a good quality film check out the final contestants in project greenlight. www.projectgreenlight.com Check out the film by Joe Otting - Chicago, IL I'm saying that I'd be happy to make a movie look like that quality wise. It didn't win the contest but had the best looking one in the bunch. The winners used a worse quality film but had good special effects with humor. __________________ http://www.veoh.com/channels/filmmaker My clips and films.

May 7th, 2003, 01:02 AM	#3
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	It looks pretty good to me, Marc. Quite professional. The footage looks smooth and "filmic", at least at that resolution. Good music teaser, too. It made me want to see the whole thing. If I had to make any suggestions (and these are really picayune) not having seen the whole film (of course) and not knowing what footage you have, it would be as follows. 1. I might have chosen a different shot of the father(?), perhaps catching a moment when he moved his gaze up from his drink on the bar to someone across from him. Just a shot that gives us a glimpse of tired pain in his eyes, if that's consistent with the story. 2. The final shot of the mother(?) with that slight, pained smile might have been more powerful as a 2-shot showing the son(?) slightly out of the focus field with his head down a bit against his clasped hands holding the cigarette. But these are just my off-the-cuff impressions knowing nothing about the actual film. What I think I gleaned from the trailer was that this is a story about a disfunctional family at risk of liver and lung disease <g>. Am I close? When will the whole film be finished and where can we see it? __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

May 7th, 2003, 04:14 AM	#4
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I'll second Ken on the quality. Looks real nice to me. . .maybe Bob saw a different trailer? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 7th, 2003, 04:50 AM	#5
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Nice job, Marc. I especially like the lighting in the bar. The trailer's a success in that I want to see the rest of the film... __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

May 7th, 2003, 05:09 AM	#6
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	>>If I was to shoot something with a GL2 or Vx1000 that looked like that, I just might give up on being a filmmaker<< Looks good to me...I guess I need to give up filmmaking now...

May 7th, 2003, 06:14 AM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Looked very nice here too! Very interested to see the rest indeed. Very nice work! I don't know as well were Bob is coming from. Perhaps is player was screwing up or something? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 7th, 2003, 08:03 AM	#8
Bob Benkosky Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Park, Florida Posts: 202	Look, go compare it to some other things and I guess you'll see my reasonings for not liking the quality. I think it's mainly the dark layer over the film. If you don't compare it to projectgreenlight, then you can't have an idea of what I am comparing it to. __________________ http://www.veoh.com/channels/filmmaker My clips and films.

May 7th, 2003, 08:04 AM	#9
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Bobs running a 486 with a 2 meg intergraded videocard. Heck, even the icons on his desktop look terrible. I'm mainly suprised he waited the time it took to load the clip on his 9600 baud modem. LoL, on a serious note Bob, you were a bit harsh- granted I haven't seen the trailer yet, as I'm viewing these forums at work and their media player is from the dark-ages. I saw some of Marc's other work and it looked pretty good to me. Now it's not professional quality, but who is expecting that. They guy is trying to get started with this whole filmaking thing. Maybe you can add some more "constructive" critism rather than tear him down. And honestly it's a bit rough to compare him against freikin' finalists at Project Greenlight- those guys were weeded out of thousands. The best of the best of the BEST. Marc, I'll check it out as soon as I get home and provide some insite. I'm actually excited to see a young filmaker working with the same camera I own- kinda gives me inspiration. Now I'm even more reluctant to post any of my work on the board- I might get flamed!

May 7th, 2003, 08:11 AM	#10
Akos Szemenyei Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saitama, Japan Posts: 111	Well, I have to agree with Bob to a degree, but I don't think it's the camera. The thing I reacted to was that the framing is off, and that the images are to close. Then, the lighting is flat and removes all the "3D" feel. The bar room was alright, but the lighting is still a little flat and the framing is off. And last, the trailer itself didn't make me interested in this movie at all, maybe if you had more shots and a little more conflict it would be more interesting. I don't mean to bash you, the movie still might be really good, but it just doesn't come across as it is right now. Remember, this is only my opinion and I could be wrong. Regards Akos

May 7th, 2003, 08:34 AM	#11
Bob Benkosky Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Park, Florida Posts: 202	You see I'm not the only one who thinks it's flat. I was writing another post, then my modem went out for some reason. I was trying to explain that the scenes were a bit dark to me. The best scene was the bar scene as far as looks go. I didn't see alot of movement on the shots, if any. If you want a trailer to draw us in, put a little action in there somewhere. I'd like to see the untouched footage to compare. __________________ http://www.veoh.com/channels/filmmaker My clips and films.

May 7th, 2003, 09:01 AM	#12
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	>>If that's the 24p everyone is talking about, wow.... I'll stay clear of that.<< Then I guess you’ll be staying clear of film to, since that’s essentially 24p. Seems to me like somebody has an axe to grind against the DVX100, more so then the trailer at hand. No one ever claimed that 24p makes you into a film master.

May 7th, 2003, 09:19 AM	#13
Russell Pond Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Euless, Texas Posts: 36	Marc, Can you enlighten us to the settings you used? 24P Advanced, standard, Cinegamma settings, 16x9 crop or anamorphic lens, etc. Thanks for sharing with us. Russell

May 7th, 2003, 10:49 AM	#14
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Bob, Is it the movie in this list? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 7th, 2003, 04:10 PM	#15
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Ok, finally got a chance to check it out. Talk about teaser- there were only like 4 quick shots of footage. Not really much to base a good opinion on it visually in my opinion. I do agree though that the black pedistol might have been lowered to much. The darks almost engulf the screen. The quick shot of the father looked best lighted. I'd have to see more to really guage the quality. So far so good though, I wish Marc the best of luck with everything.