Xl2 Or Dvx100a

Daniel Runyon · March 5th, 2005, 01:54 AM

Thank you sir for correcting. I'm really glad you included that footage though, because regardless of the cam, the main thing it did was show a general contrast of standard video look, and the DVX's very cinematic look. That was one well worth while comparison shot, and the type of scene in the example was very suitable to display the subtle differences.

Does anyone find it odd that we're still posting in an old thread started by a long banned individual?

John Hudson · March 5th, 2005, 11:44 AM

I didnt even notice; is that who I think it is Daniel?

Daniel Runyon · March 5th, 2005, 12:49 PM

Yessir, it sure is. As much of a forum pain as he is, I still feel love for the boy and hope he's doing ok.

Dave Ferdinand · March 7th, 2005, 02:15 PM

"Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality", erm.. so you DO agree with me, then? I never said anything about it being magic. If you interpreted it that way, that's up to you, but my comment was far from suggesting that if you buy a DVX100, you'll automatically become the new Spielberg - no need for actors, script or a DP - it's a miracle camera!

About the sound, of course it's better to have an external mic, but I never suggested otherwise. Let's not enter the realms of accessories: As is, the DVX as great sound compared to most other cams on it's category.

Daniel, I think most people refer to 'film look' as in something shot using a film camera. So 'film' as in, pellicle, celluloid, not as in a Hollywood movie with actors. You could be just shooting people walking down the street, but a PD150 will make it look very video like; a DVX100 will have a closer 'film' look; while a 35mm will BE film.

John Hudson · March 7th, 2005, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Dave Ferdinand : "Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality", erm.. so you DO agree with me, then? I never said anything about it being magic. If you interpreted it that way, that's up to you, but my comment was far from suggesting that if you buy a DVX100, you'll automatically become the new Spielberg - no need for actors, script or a DP - it's a miracle camera!

About the sound, of course it's better to have an external mic, but I never suggested otherwise. Let's not enter the realms of accessories: As is, the DVX as great sound compared to most other cams on it's category.

Daniel, I think most people refer to 'film look' as in something shot using a film camera. So 'film' as in, pellicle, celluloid, not as in a Hollywood movie with actors. You could be just shooting people walking down the street, but a PD150 will make it look very video like; a DVX100 will have a closer 'film' look; while a 35mm will BE film.

It was the term "Immediate film look (point & shoot)" that can cause someone deciding on this kind of a purchase to be misinformed. It is important they realize the differences; inherently the camera looks surreally film-like but I have seen footage submitted 'out of box' that looked nothing like film and that was due to operator error; But that's already been covered.

Regarding the sound? Yet another important note for someone considering the purchase. If quality sound is what they are after, then a external mic is mandatory; hence be prepared to spend extra duckets on accessories. Is there a need to get into accessories? I think it prudent to acknowledge these little facts to the potential buyers.

I'm not sure what most people refer to definitions of 'film look' or 'filmic'. Lord knows this has been discussed to death. I think
we all know what it means when someone says 'Film look' and there is really no need for semantics. Film Look, Filmic, Film Quality, Cinematic. Everyone knows what is being referred to.

Jose di Cani · March 9th, 2005, 08:55 AM

bottom line: go for the DVX or the xl2 if you want the cam now. if you prefer to wait, wait a year and see which cams come out, but I doubt they will be in the same price line.

dvx and xl2 have cinematic looks, but they are no wonder toys, YOu need to pre-edit your movies to get that great movie fantasy ' I wanna be a steven SPIELBERG' looking movie-look.

If you reall y want cinematic profesional stuf, wait for the next panasonic next year. They will be better than the dvx as to filmlook is concerned. Good luck.

ps: dvx is cheaper and gives you more money to buy external mics, light, etc etc

Ignacio Rodriguez · March 9th, 2005, 01:08 PM

> wait for the next panasonic next year

You mean this year, right? Panasonic AJ-HDX100. Take a look:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...2&goto=newpost

Jose di Cani · March 14th, 2005, 10:41 AM

the link give me I don't have auhorisation . I am logged in in this forum.strange.

Ignacio Rodriguez · March 14th, 2005, 12:20 PM

Ok. Sorry, the link seems to have changed.

This one works, for the whole collection of threads related to the new Panny, at least for now:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisp...?s=&forumid=80

March 9th, 2005, 01:08 PM	#52
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> wait for the next panasonic next year You mean this year, right? Panasonic AJ-HDX100. Take a look: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...2&goto=newpost __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

March 14th, 2005, 12:20 PM	#54
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	Ok. Sorry, the link seems to have changed. This one works, for the whole collection of threads related to the new Panny, at least for now: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisp...?s=&forumid=80 __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

March 5th, 2005, 01:54 AM	#46
Daniel Runyon Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Deep South Posts: 168	Thank you sir for correcting. I'm really glad you included that footage though, because regardless of the cam, the main thing it did was show a general contrast of standard video look, and the DVX's very cinematic look. That was one well worth while comparison shot, and the type of scene in the example was very suitable to display the subtle differences. Does anyone find it odd that we're still posting in an old thread started by a long banned individual?

March 5th, 2005, 11:44 AM	#47
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	I didnt even notice; is that who I think it is Daniel?

March 5th, 2005, 12:49 PM	#48
Daniel Runyon Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Deep South Posts: 168	Yessir, it sure is. As much of a forum pain as he is, I still feel love for the boy and hope he's doing ok.

March 7th, 2005, 02:15 PM	#49
Dave Ferdinand Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 359	"Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality", erm.. so you DO agree with me, then? I never said anything about it being magic. If you interpreted it that way, that's up to you, but my comment was far from suggesting that if you buy a DVX100, you'll automatically become the new Spielberg - no need for actors, script or a DP - it's a miracle camera! About the sound, of course it's better to have an external mic, but I never suggested otherwise. Let's not enter the realms of accessories: As is, the DVX as great sound compared to most other cams on it's category. Daniel, I think most people refer to 'film look' as in something shot using a film camera. So 'film' as in, pellicle, celluloid, not as in a Hollywood movie with actors. You could be just shooting people walking down the street, but a PD150 will make it look very video like; a DVX100 will have a closer 'film' look; while a 35mm will BE film.

March 7th, 2005, 03:38 PM	#50
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Originally posted by Dave Ferdinand : "Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality", erm.. so you DO agree with me, then? I never said anything about it being magic. If you interpreted it that way, that's up to you, but my comment was far from suggesting that if you buy a DVX100, you'll automatically become the new Spielberg - no need for actors, script or a DP - it's a miracle camera! About the sound, of course it's better to have an external mic, but I never suggested otherwise. Let's not enter the realms of accessories: As is, the DVX as great sound compared to most other cams on it's category. Daniel, I think most people refer to 'film look' as in something shot using a film camera. So 'film' as in, pellicle, celluloid, not as in a Hollywood movie with actors. You could be just shooting people walking down the street, but a PD150 will make it look very video like; a DVX100 will have a closer 'film' look; while a 35mm will BE film. It was the term "Immediate film look (point & shoot)" that can cause someone deciding on this kind of a purchase to be misinformed. It is important they realize the differences; inherently the camera looks surreally film-like but I have seen footage submitted 'out of box' that looked nothing like film and that was due to operator error; But that's already been covered. Regarding the sound? Yet another important note for someone considering the purchase. If quality sound is what they are after, then a external mic is mandatory; hence be prepared to spend extra duckets on accessories. Is there a need to get into accessories? I think it prudent to acknowledge these little facts to the potential buyers. I'm not sure what most people refer to definitions of 'film look' or 'filmic'. Lord knows this has been discussed to death. I think we all know what it means when someone says 'Film look' and there is really no need for semantics. Film Look, Filmic, Film Quality, Cinematic. Everyone knows what is being referred to.

March 9th, 2005, 08:55 AM	#51
Jose di Cani Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holland, Europe Posts: 214	bottom line: go for the DVX or the xl2 if you want the cam now. if you prefer to wait, wait a year and see which cams come out, but I doubt they will be in the same price line. dvx and xl2 have cinematic looks, but they are no wonder toys, YOu need to pre-edit your movies to get that great movie fantasy ' I wanna be a steven SPIELBERG' looking movie-look. If you reall y want cinematic profesional stuf, wait for the next panasonic next year. They will be better than the dvx as to filmlook is concerned. Good luck. ps: dvx is cheaper and gives you more money to buy external mics, light, etc etc

March 14th, 2005, 10:41 AM	#53
Jose di Cani Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holland, Europe Posts: 214	the link give me I don't have auhorisation . I am logged in in this forum.strange.